Community management as a discipline is evolving. It’s not just moderating boards and forums anymore (though there’s still a certain need and place for that). It’s becoming a pivotal and cross-disciplinary role inside companies that are bridging a social communications presence with their offline world.
It’s amazing to me the misconceptions that exist about this type of position, and it might be because roles like this are still new, and they vary from company to company (and always will). But I thought I might help dispel a few of the more common myths and assumptions about community management in hopes that we’ll find them more and more in companies of all sizes, and collectively understand them a little better.
Social Networking Is All We Do
I spend time on Twitter, blogs, Facebook, forums, and social networking sites as part of my job. But it’s not all I do. And I most certainly do not get paid to just hang out on Twitter and chat all day long (as fun as that might be in theory).
The social channels for me, especially Twitter, are like the phone to me. They’re communication channels through which I connect with people. So much like the phone or email are simply mechanisms through which you conduct your work, so too are social networks to me.
The difference is that Twitter and blogs and other social networks are communities of their own, so it’s a many-to-many atmosphere that brings additional value through continued participation. Whereas you can’t tap into an ambient conversation or discussion by waiting on the phone or by your inbox, Twitter and the social networking communities in which my customers participate are home to many conversations that I both need and want to be part of. It’s networking and business development the old fashioned way, and it has immense value, even if the perception of online isn’t always parallel with that.
It’s Always Online
Online communities need the cement of offline interactions. People need the validation that the faces behind the avatars and the voices behind the comments are real, sentient beings with personalities. And as much as I will stand by the deep and valuable relationships I’ve built through online channels, what eventually solidifies those relationships for the long haul is the in-person connection I make through events or meetings or just a chat over coffee.
Even if your community is inherently online – a forum or exclusively online business or the like – there are still living, breathing human beings that are chatting away and contributing to that community in a valuable way. Taking the time to meet and connect with those people in person is, in my view, absolutely critical. It’s why I happily make events a part of my responsibilites and get on lots of airplanes to meet tons of people each year. I could do my job from behind my keyboard, but I’d be missing huge opportunities to build trust and affinities with people based on the age-old practice of bonding and human connection.
We’re Just Glorified PR (or Marketing) People
I write press releases and blog posts and do podcasts. I create content and media in all kinds of forms. But I’m not a PR person.
That’s not to say you can’t be a PR person AND be an effective community person. But as I’ve talked about before, being a community professional goes far, far beyond publicizing the work you do as a company. You’re doing business development work (I’ve stewarded nearly a dozen prospects through our sales pipeline this week alone, and I’ve tapped my history as a BD person and fundraiser to do that well). You’re a marketer and content creator AND a publicist. You’re a customer service person (I’m many of our customers’ go-to person when they have an issue, mostly because I’m a trusted and familiar face and they know they’ll get a response quickly).
There’s no one label you can slap on a community person and say that they’re just an old pro in new clothing. We’re a different and evolving discipline that needs to adapt based on the needs of the business. And it does every community person a disservce to park them in the communications basket and leave them there.
It’s a Job Anyone Can Do
Much like I alluded to above, the community role has evolved past the days when it was just a guy hanging out and moderating the chat for people being buttheads. And while not all community roles necessarily need to become complex business-focused roles, my belief is that’s where they’re going to be headed for many companies, large and small.
But the two types of roles couldn’t be more different. The community role I’m talking about requires business perspective, and a true passion for connecting the community and the people within it to the long-term goals of the business. It’s a symbiotic relationship that requires flexibility, professionalism, and an attitude of possibility. It’s asking for a lot in terms of time and resource commitments, and it’s ever changing. But one thing it’s not is just a job for a person who happens to have a computer and likes to chat online.
You Can’t Measure the Impact
I love this discussion. The whole “how do you measure the impact and value of a community role”? Because I almost never run out of examples.
How about measuring and demonstrating customer loyalty over time as demonstrated by repeat sales and referrals? How about tracking the volume and sentiment of the posts and comments written about you over a period of time? How about tracking not just the quantity of your fans and followers, but how engaged they are with you (and you with them) over time as illustrated by tracked conversations, responses, and discussions? How about trending your share of conversation, both within your industry and amongst your competitors, over time? How about tracking specific inquiries and leads that come through your various community channels? How about tracking the number of customer service issues that are resolved or at least stewarded through community channels, and tracking their resolution rate (as compared to those that are handled through more traditional channels like phone and email)?
The list is nearly endless. Look at your current marketing, communications, sales, and customer service metrics. Think to yourself “How does my building stronger relationships and trust with our customers and prospects positively impact these measurements?” The hard work is in doing the benchmarking and tracking. But measurable, it is.
What Say You?
Speak up, oh community mavens! Tell me what folks just don’t get about what you do. And for those of you that might be wondering if there’s value in these types of roles, I invite you to challenge us here. Tell us what you want demonstrated and articulated in order to show that community is valuable to business.
Comments, aweigh.
The other myth is that you can use a community manager to quiet down angry customers or make everyone happy. But that isn’t realistic, as I alluded to in this post: http://bit.ly/tZmqq
The internet has never made it easier for people to complain and as hard as you try, making everyone happy is impossible. Take the constructive feedback you get and use it to help your efforts, but remember that not unlike running a business, there are going to be unreasonably customers out there that you can’t sway. Instead of spending X time trying to win that customer, use X time to make sure you keep the “great” customers.
“The other myth is that you can use a community manager to quiet down angry customers or make everyone happy. But that isn’t realistic”
*AMEN*
I’ve found that the people who believe you can make everyone happy are the people who honestly believe that the customer is always right, which is so nice to think until you actually speak with customers. They aren’t always right, some of them are downright wrong. The trick is making sure they aren’t unhappy.
In fact, *that*, I think, should be the ‘goal’. To ensure that the majority (say, 95%? 99%?) of your customers are not *un*happy, which is far more doable than making sure they are happy.
Lets be honest, customers are not always right. Excel will never *not* crash. Or will never do some obscure thing you want it to do because it’s just not something that will ever be there. That customer will not be happy. At least, some of them won’t. The trick is to make sure they aren’t actively unhappy.
The other myth is that you can use a community manager to quiet down angry customers or make everyone happy. But that isn’t realistic, as I alluded to in this post: http://bit.ly/tZmqq
The internet has never made it easier for people to complain and as hard as you try, making everyone happy is impossible. Take the constructive feedback you get and use it to help your efforts, but remember that not unlike running a business, there are going to be unreasonably customers out there that you can’t sway. Instead of spending X time trying to win that customer, use X time to make sure you keep the “great” customers.
“The other myth is that you can use a community manager to quiet down angry customers or make everyone happy. But that isn’t realistic”
*AMEN*
I’ve found that the people who believe you can make everyone happy are the people who honestly believe that the customer is always right, which is so nice to think until you actually speak with customers. They aren’t always right, some of them are downright wrong. The trick is making sure they aren’t unhappy.
In fact, *that*, I think, should be the ‘goal’. To ensure that the majority (say, 95%? 99%?) of your customers are not *un*happy, which is far more doable than making sure they are happy.
Lets be honest, customers are not always right. Excel will never *not* crash. Or will never do some obscure thing you want it to do because it’s just not something that will ever be there. That customer will not be happy. At least, some of them won’t. The trick is to make sure they aren’t actively unhappy.
WOW Amber. Amazing post. One that I was hoping to post on my own blog but honestly, did not have all the answers. I may just print this bad boy out for future reference.
One thing I would add is that for smaller companies, hiring a community manager will not cover all of your marketing, pr, social media, customer service and community building needs. While Community Managers’ responsibilities encompass all of these things in one way, shape or form it is a lot of pressure to count on a community manager to be entirely responsible for ALL of these things. Companies sometimes tend to hire a community manager because the title looks good/trendy. They then assign roles to the community manager that are not reasonable. A community manager should be integrated into many, if not all aspects of a company…not responsible for them.
Thanks,
David
WOW Amber. Amazing post. One that I was hoping to post on my own blog but honestly, did not have all the answers. I may just print this bad boy out for future reference.
One thing I would add is that for smaller companies, hiring a community manager will not cover all of your marketing, pr, social media, customer service and community building needs. While Community Managers’ responsibilities encompass all of these things in one way, shape or form it is a lot of pressure to count on a community manager to be entirely responsible for ALL of these things. Companies sometimes tend to hire a community manager because the title looks good/trendy. They then assign roles to the community manager that are not reasonable. A community manager should be integrated into many, if not all aspects of a company…not responsible for them.
Thanks,
David
Thanks for your insight.
You really nailed it on the head. I feel I have been doing a lot of these things just trying to land a community role type position but I totally agree on the points you have made.
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Thanks for your insight.
You really nailed it on the head. I feel I have been doing a lot of these things just trying to land a community role type position but I totally agree on the points you have made.
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Amanda, great post! Couldn’t agree more.
Do you know the Online Community Map trying to describe Cm responsibilities. It was created in a joint effor by members of IOCMA.
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Amanda, great post! Couldn’t agree more.
Do you know the Online Community Map trying to describe Cm responsibilities. It was created in a joint effor by members of IOCMA.
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Dude. If you’re going to spam my blog, at least get my name right.
Hahahaha. What up Amanda?
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Amber, fantastic synthesis of roles and ideas!
I am morphing into community management after being a direct marketer (a marketing/fundraising combo that I love because it’s measurable), managing a PR/fundraising event, and doing various customer service roles for my organization. You pulled these attributes together in this post. I might add project management to the mix, because these roles require cross-functional task management.
I think community management is the new relationship glue between the organization and the customer.
Amber, fantastic synthesis of roles and ideas!
I am morphing into community management after being a direct marketer (a marketing/fundraising combo that I love because it’s measurable), managing a PR/fundraising event, and doing various customer service roles for my organization. You pulled these attributes together in this post. I might add project management to the mix, because these roles require cross-functional task management.
I think community management is the new relationship glue between the organization and the customer.
Hi Amber – a great post, really thought-provoking.
I’ve been musing on the role of community managers for the last year and I’ve spent the last 10 months working as a community manager for an Australian start-up sports social networking and advocacy company.
I couldn’t agree more with the five myths you’ve listed, and like other community managers here I know I’ve heard many of the sentiments echoed above in my workplace and more broadly in the industry here in Australia.
The one myth I would add to this discussion is the myth that employing a community manager will take care of community within your company. I often hear executives talking about how much extra value a community manager can bring to their organisation, as though all it takes is them to employ someone and the $$$ will start rolling in.
Employing a community manager needs to be part of a company-wide organisational shift that acknowledges an ongoing investment that places the community (for many this is the customer) at the very heart of the business. Zappos have done this remarkably well with their focus on Wow! moments at every customer touch point.
The community manager needs to work hard to infect the rest of the company with the desire to consider community in company-wide discussions and decision making. But if the company isn’t prepared to embrace community as a philosophy then it is going to be very hard for the community manager to succeed.
The message is this: if you employ a community manager, be ready to embrace community as a core part of everything you do. It will be much more likely to succeed if the community manager is properly resourced and supported.
Thanks for this great post Amber – really enjoyed it 🙂
Hey Scott,
Good comments and I’m also pushing for social media here within Australian sport organisations to get on-board as a positive move forward for their business and community engagement.
I’m just starting to have talks with a recent start up social sports media company here in Sydney, which I’m wondering who you work for ?
Hi Amber – a great post, really thought-provoking.
I’ve been musing on the role of community managers for the last year and I’ve spent the last 10 months working as a community manager for an Australian start-up sports social networking and advocacy company.
I couldn’t agree more with the five myths you’ve listed, and like other community managers here I know I’ve heard many of the sentiments echoed above in my workplace and more broadly in the industry here in Australia.
The one myth I would add to this discussion is the myth that employing a community manager will take care of community within your company. I often hear executives talking about how much extra value a community manager can bring to their organisation, as though all it takes is them to employ someone and the $$$ will start rolling in.
Employing a community manager needs to be part of a company-wide organisational shift that acknowledges an ongoing investment that places the community (for many this is the customer) at the very heart of the business. Zappos have done this remarkably well with their focus on Wow! moments at every customer touch point.
The community manager needs to work hard to infect the rest of the company with the desire to consider community in company-wide discussions and decision making. But if the company isn’t prepared to embrace community as a philosophy then it is going to be very hard for the community manager to succeed.
The message is this: if you employ a community manager, be ready to embrace community as a core part of everything you do. It will be much more likely to succeed if the community manager is properly resourced and supported.
Thanks for this great post Amber – really enjoyed it 🙂
Scott, you nailed it. One of my favorite statements is that social media adoption is as much about culture change as it is about operational shift. I’ve a post coming up later this week about just that.
Thanks for your comments and perspective.
Hey Scott,
Good comments and I’m also pushing for social media here within Australian sport organisations to get on-board as a positive move forward for their business and community engagement.
I’m just starting to have talks with a recent start up social sports media company here in Sydney, which I’m wondering who you work for ?
Amber,
I enjoyed your post but disagree on one point…
“…That’s not to say you can’t be a PR person AND be an effective community person. But as I’ve talked about before, being a community professional goes far, far beyond publicizing the work you do as a company…”
A Publicist’s focus is promoting the work for a company.
A Public Relations professional is focused on building positive and mutually beneficial relationships for a company, their customers and shareholders.
I totally respect the disctinct role of a community manager and I think it is a great partnership with the complete role of public relations… and a natural professional evolution for most PR people.
Thanks!
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Amber,
I enjoyed your post but disagree on one point…
“…That’s not to say you can’t be a PR person AND be an effective community person. But as I’ve talked about before, being a community professional goes far, far beyond publicizing the work you do as a company…”
A Publicist’s focus is promoting the work for a company.
A Public Relations professional is focused on building positive and mutually beneficial relationships for a company, their customers and shareholders.
I totally respect the disctinct role of a community manager and I think it is a great partnership with the complete role of public relations… and a natural professional evolution for most PR people.
Thanks!
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Cyndee,
I see your point, but remember we’re talking about perception here. As a PR person by discipline, you may understand the strategic application of that role, but many don’t (and I have many friends who are spectacular PR people). I appreciate your clarifying the difference.
My point, which I may not have articulated well though, is that the same misconception applies. Often, community folks are pigeonholed as blogger relations people, or just those that blog and/or write social media releases, looked at through the limited lens of publicity work. And while you’ve articulated well that PR is much more than publicity, community is much more than either PR or publicity. I suppose that’s the point I was aiming for.
Amber
Amber,
I think you have done a great job but I want to expand on one thing you say. The myth that anyone can do this.
It does not require specific training or skills (although writing, summarizing, seeing bigger pictures, etc. are certainly welcome traits) but it requires a specific person. Anyone can do this, not anyone can help the community grow.
It takes a person that understands that the community is not just about them, their progress, or even their organization. The community is about empowering and growing all the people in it. As you said very well, there are different communities (twitter, blog, L-in, FB, etc.) and each one has its quirks, rules, and behaviors — but the overall goal of participating in a community for members is to grow and increase their knowledge, and the community manager must recognize that, focus on the behaviors for specific groups or communities that would accomplish that, encourage participation and contributions to that end, and realize at the end that the goal is to improve and grow every community member – not just themselves or their organization.
Take for example this post, in your blog community. The blog community members get to participate (as i am doing now) in trying to expand the definition and everyone’s understanding and knowledge, with the objective of creating a better definition and better proposition of what it is to be a community manager — not for the benefits of anyone’s ego.
Very nice summary.
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Amber,
I think you have done a great job but I want to expand on one thing you say. The myth that anyone can do this.
It does not require specific training or skills (although writing, summarizing, seeing bigger pictures, etc. are certainly welcome traits) but it requires a specific person. Anyone can do this, not anyone can help the community grow.
It takes a person that understands that the community is not just about them, their progress, or even their organization. The community is about empowering and growing all the people in it. As you said very well, there are different communities (twitter, blog, L-in, FB, etc.) and each one has its quirks, rules, and behaviors — but the overall goal of participating in a community for members is to grow and increase their knowledge, and the community manager must recognize that, focus on the behaviors for specific groups or communities that would accomplish that, encourage participation and contributions to that end, and realize at the end that the goal is to improve and grow every community member – not just themselves or their organization.
Take for example this post, in your blog community. The blog community members get to participate (as i am doing now) in trying to expand the definition and everyone’s understanding and knowledge, with the objective of creating a better definition and better proposition of what it is to be a community manager — not for the benefits of anyone’s ego.
Very nice summary.
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I love your points, Esteban. It’s as much about mindset as skills. There’s an intuitive nature about this job, I guess. The people that do this well that I admire a great deal are the ones that have innate skills with connecting and encouraging people in general.
The spammy commenter could have at least gotten your name right, sheesh 🙂
Great post. The way I picture a succesful community manager in my mind is a big mashup of knowledge and abilities. They would know PR, social media, marketing, user engagement and feedback, monitoring and researching. They would be able to talk to the devs and creatives just as well. It’s also important to be able to represent the company well in public at different events. I’m not sure you would have to be an expert in any one field, but if you were able to be really good at all of these things, you’d do pretty well.
The spammy commenter could have at least gotten your name right, sheesh 🙂
Great post. The way I picture a succesful community manager in my mind is a big mashup of knowledge and abilities. They would know PR, social media, marketing, user engagement and feedback, monitoring and researching. They would be able to talk to the devs and creatives just as well. It’s also important to be able to represent the company well in public at different events. I’m not sure you would have to be an expert in any one field, but if you were able to be really good at all of these things, you’d do pretty well.
Lovely, per usual.
I chewed on this a bit last night and I feel like you can also add to the myth list the idea that community managers manage the conversation. While I do believe there’s always a touch of management in making sure the community stays safe and civil, I don’t think there’s anywhere near as much conversation management as many people (and companies) would like to think.
I think this particular myth is one that probably plagues the inner workings of a company more than its external constituents, as company directors are more concerned about the conversations people are having about them than the people actually participating in those conversations are concerned.
Like your recent post about building community said, dissent is an important and inevitable part of a holistic conversation; companies can’t expect their community managers to squash that type of commentary in the name of keeping up appearances.
But maybe I’m wrong here? This is definitely how I feel based on what I’ve seen. 🙂 Clarification is welcome!
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Lovely, per usual.
I chewed on this a bit last night and I feel like you can also add to the myth list the idea that community managers manage the conversation. While I do believe there’s always a touch of management in making sure the community stays safe and civil, I don’t think there’s anywhere near as much conversation management as many people (and companies) would like to think.
I think this particular myth is one that probably plagues the inner workings of a company more than its external constituents, as company directors are more concerned about the conversations people are having about them than the people actually participating in those conversations are concerned.
Like your recent post about building community said, dissent is an important and inevitable part of a holistic conversation; companies can’t expect their community managers to squash that type of commentary in the name of keeping up appearances.
But maybe I’m wrong here? This is definitely how I feel based on what I’ve seen. 🙂 Clarification is welcome!
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Fan-freaking-tastic post, Amber. You completely nailed it with these 5 myths that companies may be stuck on.
I’d also add that though community managers may be seen as a ‘jack-of-all trades’, that doesn’t mean the responsibilities of the company’s marketing/PR/cust-serv/biz-dev are now fully on our shoulders. Our daily functions may encompass many of these different roles, but they’re all tied together in what makes a successful Community Manager. What makes a company’s marketing or PR successful are dedicated people for those specific roles.
I’ve seen companies cut corners and try to ‘bundle’ roles together for the sake of cost-savings and unfortunately, those who don’t get it will undoubtedly do the same to the CM role.
Luckily for us, smart people like yourself and others in the industry are moving the needle forward and not only pushing the case for CMs but as this post has done, dispelling certain myths of this role.
Thanks again for this, Amber. Bookmarked!
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Fan-freaking-tastic post, Amber. You completely nailed it with these 5 myths that companies may be stuck on.
I’d also add that though community managers may be seen as a ‘jack-of-all trades’, that doesn’t mean the responsibilities of the company’s marketing/PR/cust-serv/biz-dev are now fully on our shoulders. Our daily functions may encompass many of these different roles, but they’re all tied together in what makes a successful Community Manager. What makes a company’s marketing or PR successful are dedicated people for those specific roles.
I’ve seen companies cut corners and try to ‘bundle’ roles together for the sake of cost-savings and unfortunately, those who don’t get it will undoubtedly do the same to the CM role.
Luckily for us, smart people like yourself and others in the industry are moving the needle forward and not only pushing the case for CMs but as this post has done, dispelling certain myths of this role.
Thanks again for this, Amber. Bookmarked!
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I’ve recently seen a new pattern arising as it relates to PR. There will still be need for ‘publicists’ who worry about public statements that need to be made, but there’s a new breed of PR shaping: Personal Relations.
I’ve been on the receiving end of this new model, and ironically, didn’t discover the secret to its success until this past week while listening to Tribal Leadership (http://twurl.nl/tgoekm). Encroaching on sales, this new model serves as the critical catalyst for forming triads — the ideal form of relationships (described by the research/model).
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I’ve recently seen a new pattern arising as it relates to PR. There will still be need for ‘publicists’ who worry about public statements that need to be made, but there’s a new breed of PR shaping: Personal Relations.
I’ve been on the receiving end of this new model, and ironically, didn’t discover the secret to its success until this past week while listening to Tribal Leadership (http://twurl.nl/tgoekm). Encroaching on sales, this new model serves as the critical catalyst for forming triads — the ideal form of relationships (described by the research/model).
Rotkapchens last blog post..rotkapchen: @tomguarriello But that’s a fundamental theme of Tribal Leadership, something our government leaders should tatoo on their arms for ref.
Thanks for dispelling the myths Amber! I cannot tell you how many times I get tweets hogwashing my role and work. I agree with Sonny’s point about role-bundling. Another myth worth mentioning is that community managers are responsible for bringing a GAZILLION pageviews/tweets/comments to your site/blog/product irrespective of all other dynamics.
Ha! Just another day eh? 🙂
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Thanks for dispelling the myths Amber! I cannot tell you how many times I get tweets hogwashing my role and work. I agree with Sonny’s point about role-bundling. Another myth worth mentioning is that community managers are responsible for bringing a GAZILLION pageviews/tweets/comments to your site/blog/product irrespective of all other dynamics.
Ha! Just another day eh? 🙂
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Hi Amber,
Time and time again, I give a hat tip to my background in customer service/client management. The skills I learned in those trenches: listening, effective communication, diplomatic negotiations, problem solving, etc., have all played a significant role in my ability to manage online communities.
I enjoyed your perspective of managing a community that revolves around a product or service. I manage a social action network, which though subtlety different, does have it’s own distinct characteristics and challenges.
We may be all “connected” online, however, the demographics of trying to unite a large number of people form different cultures and backgrounds can be a mammoth undertaking. The real trick is to provide a platform where they can express their experiences/passions/knowledge on the social action you are campaigning. At the same time, you need to mobilize these ambassadors to the specific calls to action.
Now that I am writing this.. perhaps there aren’t any differences
What do you think?
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Hi Amber,
Time and time again, I give a hat tip to my background in customer service/client management. The skills I learned in those trenches: listening, effective communication, diplomatic negotiations, problem solving, etc., have all played a significant role in my ability to manage online communities.
I enjoyed your perspective of managing a community that revolves around a product or service. I manage a social action network, which though subtlety different, does have it’s own distinct characteristics and challenges.
We may be all “connected” online, however, the demographics of trying to unite a large number of people form different cultures and backgrounds can be a mammoth undertaking. The real trick is to provide a platform where they can express their experiences/passions/knowledge on the social action you are campaigning. At the same time, you need to mobilize these ambassadors to the specific calls to action.
Now that I am writing this.. perhaps there aren’t any differences
What do you think?
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Scott and Sonny, your comments resonate with my own experience trying to build a case for community-based strategy at my organization. We have a strong service ethic and stories every day about employees creating Wow! moments for our clients. Even so, we lack the cultural foundation required to build a rich, sustainable and productive community around any of our constituencies, internal as well as external. Top-down organizations with top-down communications, vertical silos and vertical metrics are simply incapably of seeing horizontally. Culture change is slow, painful and manifestly frustrating, but it has to happen before you designate a CM and start “communicating.”
Amber, I might add a sixth myth: that any company can do it.
Bill,
From my experience what you are saying is not quite as it is. You can still build small, niche, verticalized communities to help you get into it and later expand to a horizontal view of communities as you organization continues to mature. Even if that part never materializes, having a smaller, verticalized community will bring sufficient value to justify its existence.
Maybe the myth is not that not every company can do it, rather than everyone can see the opportunity to build communities with the proper approach.
Esteban
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Esteban:
Yes! That’s a better way of saying it. If I didn’t believe it could be done, I’d be a fool for trying.
But I’m struggling with the notion of vertical community, which strikes me as an oxymoron. Even micro-communities must flatten in order to realize their true value. I see pockets of potential with our organization. If I read you right, I should stop looking at the whole enchilada and sharpen my focus.
Scott and Sonny, your comments resonate with my own experience trying to build a case for community-based strategy at my organization. We have a strong service ethic and stories every day about employees creating Wow! moments for our clients. Even so, we lack the cultural foundation required to build a rich, sustainable and productive community around any of our constituencies, internal as well as external. Top-down organizations with top-down communications, vertical silos and vertical metrics are simply incapably of seeing horizontally. Culture change is slow, painful and manifestly frustrating, but it has to happen before you designate a CM and start “communicating.”
Amber, I might add a sixth myth: that any company can do it.
Bill,
From my experience what you are saying is not quite as it is. You can still build small, niche, verticalized communities to help you get into it and later expand to a horizontal view of communities as you organization continues to mature. Even if that part never materializes, having a smaller, verticalized community will bring sufficient value to justify its existence.
Maybe the myth is not that not every company can do it, rather than everyone can see the opportunity to build communities with the proper approach.
Esteban
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Esteban:
Yes! That’s a better way of saying it. If I didn’t believe it could be done, I’d be a fool for trying.
But I’m struggling with the notion of vertical community, which strikes me as an oxymoron. Even micro-communities must flatten in order to realize their true value. I see pockets of potential with our organization. If I read you right, I should stop looking at the whole enchilada and sharpen my focus.
Lots of great points here, guys, about managing conversations and using a CM as a stopgap for other positions. Those are important points to chew on, and I think they warrant more discussion.
Thanks to all of you for making me think harder and longer about this than I ever imagined, and for being such generous contributors to *this* community. I appreciate your being here and sharing your insights.
Stay tuned for a post later this week about social media and culture change, which has been alluded to above and for me is a HUGE factor in all of this.
Thanks for reading.
Hahahaha. What up Amanda?
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Amber, thanks for bringing the myths to the forefront, it’s much appreciated. I see my role as a community manager in four parts:
Public Relations (esp. member/customer relations)
Marketing Communications
Product/Service Management
Business Development
Public relations: Not in the sense of the ‘publicist’ you mention, but as in building mutual relationships with all “publics” (like Cyndee mentioned). Unfortunately, the public relations profession is seen more as spin doctors who target media and, now, bloggers. I look at the role from the perspective that I need to be available to engage any public that might have an interest — whether it a fan, a member, a contributor, a speaker, a journalist, a blogger, a passerby etc. As such, it’s important to be a constant and consistent part of the community and understand how that community relates to me and one another. Another part of public relations is to be able to provide timely, credible and accurate information where/when/how it’s needed…that’s what adds value.
Marketing communications: Sorry, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t share what we’re up to and the great information that we have to share. Again, it comes back to the community and knowing how much you can share and when/where. That said, this ain’t your mama’s marcom of yesteryear (i.e. broadcasting/push marketing).
Product/Service management: It’s the community manager’s role to have an ear to the ground and to monitor what’s being said. It’s the CM’s job to be a liaison between the community and the organization to make sure their needs are met. If it’s a new feature, documentation, new information, etc., the community will let you know what they need. It’s our job to listen, comprehend and make sure the message accurately gets inside.
Business Development: You talked about stewarding prospects into the sales channel and that’s an important part of the CM’s role. To be able to build authentic, honest and valuable relationships that lead to long-term relationships, and yes, sales.
All of these areas are peppered with the need to listen, monitor, engage and communicate externally and internally proficiently and professionally. I agree with Esteban, it’s not a job that everyone can do…you really do need to understand the community and be a part of it because communities aren’t just customers hanging out together kvetching about your company/product/industry. They grow to respect and rely on each other and they have other interests as well. And, you and the organization you represent have to want to be a part of the community!
Apologies for yammering… Those are my thoughts, but as always I always gain valuable insights from you and your readers Amber.
Beth Harte
Community Manager, MarketingProfs
@bethharte
Beth Hartes last blog post..Ann Handley: B2B According to Me: The Winners
Amber, thanks for bringing the myths to the forefront, it’s much appreciated. I see my role as a community manager in four parts:
Public Relations (esp. member/customer relations)
Marketing Communications
Product/Service Management
Business Development
Public relations: Not in the sense of the ‘publicist’ you mention, but as in building mutual relationships with all “publics” (like Cyndee mentioned). Unfortunately, the public relations profession is seen more as spin doctors who target media and, now, bloggers. I look at the role from the perspective that I need to be available to engage any public that might have an interest — whether it a fan, a member, a contributor, a speaker, a journalist, a blogger, a passerby etc. As such, it’s important to be a constant and consistent part of the community and understand how that community relates to me and one another. Another part of public relations is to be able to provide timely, credible and accurate information where/when/how it’s needed…that’s what adds value.
Marketing communications: Sorry, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t share what we’re up to and the great information that we have to share. Again, it comes back to the community and knowing how much you can share and when/where. That said, this ain’t your mama’s marcom of yesteryear (i.e. broadcasting/push marketing).
Product/Service management: It’s the community manager’s role to have an ear to the ground and to monitor what’s being said. It’s the CM’s job to be a liaison between the community and the organization to make sure their needs are met. If it’s a new feature, documentation, new information, etc., the community will let you know what they need. It’s our job to listen, comprehend and make sure the message accurately gets inside.
Business Development: You talked about stewarding prospects into the sales channel and that’s an important part of the CM’s role. To be able to build authentic, honest and valuable relationships that lead to long-term relationships, and yes, sales.
All of these areas are peppered with the need to listen, monitor, engage and communicate externally and internally proficiently and professionally. I agree with Esteban, it’s not a job that everyone can do…you really do need to understand the community and be a part of it because communities aren’t just customers hanging out together kvetching about your company/product/industry. They grow to respect and rely on each other and they have other interests as well. And, you and the organization you represent have to want to be a part of the community!
Apologies for yammering… Those are my thoughts, but as always I always gain valuable insights from you and your readers Amber.
Beth Harte
Community Manager, MarketingProfs
@bethharte
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I’ll make this brief and to the point: this post rocks. Very insightful. A lot of folks just don’t get it. Thanks Amber!
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I’ll make this brief and to the point: this post rocks. Very insightful. A lot of folks just don’t get it. Thanks Amber!
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Holy moly. Sorry Amber. No excuse, I justed messed up 😉
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Holy moly. Sorry Amber. No excuse, I justed messed up 😉
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For me, the part of your post that resonated most was the part about the physical connection, the face-to-face, and the power of the old-fashioned meeting.
Spike Jones was saying something like that in his Hitch interview a while back, that he thinks the big thing coming is hand-to-hand marketing, not digital. Smart people run in packs, obviously.
In my business, which is almost a one-man band, I have to be everything to everyone, and the digital is critical to me, or I couldn’t possibly manage everything. But I’ve noticed that those connections that last, the ones that are most profitable both personally and professionally, are the ones that have at least occasional lunches and breakfasts behind them. I have come to believe that on the days I have ten minutes to work, I need to spend those ten minutes on the phone more often than on the laptop.
Just one tiny facet of a huge post.
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For me, the part of your post that resonated most was the part about the physical connection, the face-to-face, and the power of the old-fashioned meeting.
Spike Jones was saying something like that in his Hitch interview a while back, that he thinks the big thing coming is hand-to-hand marketing, not digital. Smart people run in packs, obviously.
In my business, which is almost a one-man band, I have to be everything to everyone, and the digital is critical to me, or I couldn’t possibly manage everything. But I’ve noticed that those connections that last, the ones that are most profitable both personally and professionally, are the ones that have at least occasional lunches and breakfasts behind them. I have come to believe that on the days I have ten minutes to work, I need to spend those ten minutes on the phone more often than on the laptop.
Just one tiny facet of a huge post.
Chris Joness last blog post..RateWatch – Birthday Week
Another myth I would add to the mix: You don’t always have to be everyone’s friend.
Yes, we are building relationships in this position, but there are times and situations when you must agree to disagree. We are respectful, move on…we learn which issues to moderate, support community members, fall on our sword about and when to back away from other issues (not condoning ignorance, but there is a gray area).
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Great point, Lauren. Fundamental to the concept of community, in my opinion.
Another myth I would add to the mix: You don’t always have to be everyone’s friend.
Yes, we are building relationships in this position, but there are times and situations when you must agree to disagree. We are respectful, move on…we learn which issues to moderate, support community members, fall on our sword about and when to back away from other issues (not condoning ignorance, but there is a gray area).
Lauren Vargass last blog post..Reminiscing
Great point, Lauren. Fundamental to the concept of community, in my opinion.
“just a guy hanging out and moderating the chat for people being buttheads” – LOL!
“just a guy hanging out and moderating the chat for people being buttheads” – LOL!
Kudos to Amber for writing and sharing some very important things about community management, what it really means and getting me to think. Nicely done!
Kudos to Amber for writing and sharing some very important things about community management, what it really means and getting me to think. Nicely done!
I enjoyed reading your article Amber. It was very interesting. For me the bottom line is one must never forget that the primary importance for a Community Manager is the community. Listening to the community about what they want, and then as a CM trying to make those “wants” happen.
As the CM role is still growing and developing we are seeing a wide range of job descriptions over different areas …. hence all the myths.
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I enjoyed reading your article Amber. It was very interesting. For me the bottom line is one must never forget that the primary importance for a Community Manager is the community. Listening to the community about what they want, and then as a CM trying to make those “wants” happen.
As the CM role is still growing and developing we are seeing a wide range of job descriptions over different areas …. hence all the myths.
Sues last blog post..How An Online Community Manager Is Like A Pub Landlord.
Amber,
I know your post centered around the viability of the function/position of a community manager, but I found it very helpful as a blueprint of how someone can successfully pull togther the various elements of a community in a viable fashion. I enjoy watching how you react to this evolving medium and find it very helpful as we try to build our own community. Thanks for being so open about what you are doing.
john
Amber,
I know your post centered around the viability of the function/position of a community manager, but I found it very helpful as a blueprint of how someone can successfully pull togther the various elements of a community in a viable fashion. I enjoy watching how you react to this evolving medium and find it very helpful as we try to build our own community. Thanks for being so open about what you are doing.
john
John,
Thanks so much for this. Sharing, to me, is the thing that makes us ALL better. I learn here on my blog and all across the web every day. And I love sharing what I learn so that it might help someone else along the way. That’s what community is about, after all. At least in my mind.
Amber
Great post and GREAT comment Scott! I could not agree more with this:
“But if the company isn’t prepared to embrace community as a philosophy then it is going to be very hard for the community manager to succeed.”
This is especially true in organizations where silo structure is the norm, like associations. Somehow a community manager is expected to foster this great transparent community outside the walls of the office…meanwhile inside the office no such culture exists nor does anyone seem to find anything wrong with that. I’m stumped on this one, though-it’s like trying to point out to a dysfunctional family that they’re dysfunctional and need to change: in other words, good luck to you because in their eyes, they are perfect.
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Great post and GREAT comment Scott! I could not agree more with this:
“But if the company isn’t prepared to embrace community as a philosophy then it is going to be very hard for the community manager to succeed.”
This is especially true in organizations where silo structure is the norm, like associations. Somehow a community manager is expected to foster this great transparent community outside the walls of the office…meanwhile inside the office no such culture exists nor does anyone seem to find anything wrong with that. I’m stumped on this one, though-it’s like trying to point out to a dysfunctional family that they’re dysfunctional and need to change: in other words, good luck to you because in their eyes, they are perfect.
Maggie McGarys last blog post..3 Things I Hate About Twitter
What I’m curious about are the sets of tools that community managers use to make the work most efficiently and to measure the metrics. For example, when you create a new blog post, do you hit a button and have that populated to Facebook notes, Twitter, and various groups? Do you use a tool to manage and consolidate the conversations from many sources? I’ve recently become very interested in social media and I’m looking at starting a coaching/consulting practice. I’ve learned enough to feel comfortable teaching others how to use the tools for lots of things… job search, PR, marketing, customer service, etc. But what I’d really like to do is to help them put together a fully integrated solution that would be most efficient and help measure KPIs. I also would like to figure out an easy way for them to manage conversations with different types of audiences. Is the only way to do that via groups?
I know there are lot of different tools and utilities out there and it’s difficult to sort through them all. Is there a standard set of tools that Community Managers use to best manage the community and measure effectiveness?
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What I’m curious about are the sets of tools that community managers use to make the work most efficiently and to measure the metrics. For example, when you create a new blog post, do you hit a button and have that populated to Facebook notes, Twitter, and various groups? Do you use a tool to manage and consolidate the conversations from many sources? I’ve recently become very interested in social media and I’m looking at starting a coaching/consulting practice. I’ve learned enough to feel comfortable teaching others how to use the tools for lots of things… job search, PR, marketing, customer service, etc. But what I’d really like to do is to help them put together a fully integrated solution that would be most efficient and help measure KPIs. I also would like to figure out an easy way for them to manage conversations with different types of audiences. Is the only way to do that via groups?
I know there are lot of different tools and utilities out there and it’s difficult to sort through them all. Is there a standard set of tools that Community Managers use to best manage the community and measure effectiveness?
Yvette Francinos last blog post..Dave Taylor – More than a Tweet
Yvette,
This may be another post entirely. But the short answer is that you can’t “consolidate” conversations (unless you’re talking about listening and monitoring vs. participation), and no, I don’t just blast out posts to a million places. To me, that entirely defeats the authenticity of participation. Instead, I select a few places in which to be truly and personally active, and work from there.
As for “easy” way to manage conversations, that’s a tough thing. There’s no shortcut to community. It’s a matter of focus and dedication. So you can certainly use tools to manage your participation, but there’s no way you can automate the participation in multiple networks without sacrificing the genuine presence that people are asking for.
For management of time and input, though, there are some tools I use that help me keep track of what I’m doing. Perhaps I’ll do a follow up post on that here in the near future.
Amber
Hi Amber,
Yes, I wasn’t suggesting any tools that automate responses. Just some that will help organize and help with time management. For example, I know with Minggl you can combine streams from Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. With all the conversations that Community Managers are having, I just wondered what tools and techniques are used to help facilitate the various conversations. I’ll watch for a future post with any advice on this.
Thanks so much,
Yvette
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Hi Amber,
Yes, I wasn’t suggesting any tools that automate responses. Just some that will help organize and help with time management. For example, I know with Minggl you can combine streams from Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. With all the conversations that Community Managers are having, I just wondered what tools and techniques are used to help facilitate the various conversations. I’ll watch for a future post with any advice on this.
Thanks so much,
Yvette
Yvette Francinos last blog post..Bouldernet’s Got Talent – Liz Ryan
Very interesting insights Amber.
I would add one more misconception – that Community Managers should be young and junior, ie: the “Intern”. To me that’s like handing a bomb to a kid and saying “I’m sure you know what you’re doing with this – use it wisely”
If the community manager you have selected has little business experience, don’t just dump them in and say “swim”, take the time to train them. I’ve seen this happen too many times and when things go badly, as they will, the poor community manager gets hung out to dry.
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Very interesting insights Amber.
I would add one more misconception – that Community Managers should be young and junior, ie: the “Intern”. To me that’s like handing a bomb to a kid and saying “I’m sure you know what you’re doing with this – use it wisely”
If the community manager you have selected has little business experience, don’t just dump them in and say “swim”, take the time to train them. I’ve seen this happen too many times and when things go badly, as they will, the poor community manager gets hung out to dry.
Lynda Partners last blog post..5 Signs your company isn’t ready to start using social media
Great post Amber,
I often wonder how to measure the return on what the community manager does. I never could have come up with that many legitimate answers, thank you it was very helpful.
Great post Amber,
I often wonder how to measure the return on what the community manager does. I never could have come up with that many legitimate answers, thank you it was very helpful.
this post is really enlightening. Im hired as a community manager and my scope of work is kinda vague. but my usual activities include: checking FB, twitter, and other youth online platforms. it seems like im not working at all. but now i know my worth and should expand more to what is expected and take on more responsibilites.
i think Community management is building online and offline communities by empowering the participants to voice out and speak out their messages for the organizations to develop appropriate products and services.
backgrounds should be in community development, communications and IT.
this post is really enlightening. Im hired as a community manager and my scope of work is kinda vague. but my usual activities include: checking FB, twitter, and other youth online platforms. it seems like im not working at all. but now i know my worth and should expand more to what is expected and take on more responsibilites.
i think Community management is building online and offline communities by empowering the participants to voice out and speak out their messages for the organizations to develop appropriate products and services.
backgrounds should be in community development, communications and IT.
Nicely done! I hope to be writing more about community management soon, so it was great to get your perspective on this.
Great post! I was recently asked to justify my hours when a top executive in our agency asked why the CMs are always so busy: “How much time does it take to post a message on Facebook?” Hahaha!