I have a lot of people ask me where I went to school, and what I studied in order to set myself up for the career path I have now. So it’s time for me to come clean with my dirty little secret:
I don’t have a college degree.
Moreover, when I was in school? I was a music major. Flute performance, to be exact. I am, actually, a professional band nerd.
To some of you, that’s not a biggie. To others, you’re sitting there going “but how on earth do you have a successful career in social media if you don’t have a marketing degree or something?”
My career path went something like this.
I went to school, and while I was fortunate to have some of it paid for, I changed majors and didn’t graduate in four years. And after my fifth year, I couldn’t afford to continue (bartending is awesome but not quite lucrative enough for rent AND a college education). I loved music, passionately, and wanted to be in the industry but not necessarily on the stage.
I walked in the door at the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra and asked for a job. Any job. Entry level, unglamorous. I got a job as a development assistant in the fundraising department earning $17,000 a year. I worked hard, and I learned.
That took me through 7 years of professional fundraising roles, both in the arts and in social services. From there I was recruited by a former colleague to lead first client services, then marketing and communications at a design and architecture firm, and I did that for several years. Then I left and started my own online communications business, worked my tail off to make it work – I would have been willing to work part time at Target to pay the bills if I had to – and did. A bit more than a year later, I got hired by my then-client, Radian6.
I overcame the lack of a degree with hard work. It’s that simple, and yet not.
In my first few jobs, people asked about the degree. I addressed that discussion by saying that I didn’t complete my degree for financial reasons, but I could point to tangible professional results in the positions I’d had to date, and that I believed they illustrated my capabilities in a more practical way.
Some people listened, some didn’t. The ones that didn’t weren’t the right culture for me. And after that, people stopped asking, because my work spoke for itself. Yes, I’ve heard the “degree is proof that you can finish something” mantra, but I don’t buy it. Wouldn’t you rather know I can finish a project for you that can help build the business?
I earned the role I have today because I have a track record of results, no matter what role I was in, and when I was an employee or a consultant. Period.
But enough about me…
I’m a bit of a heretic. I’ve always defied convention just a little bit, but it’s demonstrated to me that in the career path I’ve walked, the degree wasn’t the important part.
You can do this too.
And even if you have a degree, it IS possible to make it relevant to a new career, a new industry, a new role. It’s about demonstrating how hard you can work, what results you’ve achieved (and what you learned when you missed the mark), and what you’re willing to do to earn credibility and trust that goes beyond your education.
If you don’t have a degree, or the “right” degree, you can very much still build a case for why you can do the job you want without it. That might require being willing to take a more junior role in order to earn your stripes. That might require meticulous attention to tracking the results of your projects, and illustrating how you’ve succeeded without it.
You might take volunteer or internship work (even as an established professional) in order to earn relevant experience in a new field. You might seek out a mentor in your desired field, and patiently spend your own personal time learning outside your current gig in order to build up a library of knowledge that can help you earn the gig.
The point is this: if you want to make something happen bad enough, you do what you have to do, and find ways around the obstacles instead of whining about their existence.
What will you do next?
I feel kind of odd writing a post that’s so me-focused, but I’m hoping that you can take something away from this that’s relevant to you. It is, after all, the perspective and experience I have. And folks ask about it so often that perhaps there’s something in this story or experience that translates, gives you some ideas, or helps you see things through a new lens.
Do you have a similar story to share? Has your degree or college experience helped or hindered you, or have you overcome a challenge on that front? Are you proving your value through demonstrated results and practical examples?
I’d love to hear your stories.
Special thanks to my colleagues at Radian6, most especially David Alston and Marcel Lebrun, for believing in me for what I could accomplish, and not the piece of paper that wasn’t in my pocket.
I always like hearing about people that work hard and get ahead without a degree… In the process of applying to do one in 3D Animation at the moment but to be honest it’s not that important in our industry. I’d be doing it for the contacts more than anything else at this stage (and if it wasn’t free in this country I don’t think I’d be doing it at all).
That part’s almost incedental, because I’ve been trying to make things work as a freelancer/new blogger for a little while now; your post has helped make me feel like I’m not wasting my time with all this work. Thank you!
Heather, the free thing makes a difference, for sure. I know so many people who can’t or didn’t finish college for financial reasons (like me). You’re not wasting your time, you’re exploring possibilities. Keep at it.
Thanks for the encouragment Amber 🙂
A friend just sent me this article today. I currently working in Tecnology for a finacial firm. I was laid off from a business career in MI. I moved to NY hoping to find a job and I did. It only took me three weeks to find one. I have been here for almost fours years and so far have not been without a job.
I have the same little dirty secret. I too took a second job when i was still at entry level. I always felt lucky in that I found mentors who would teach me and lead me in what seems to be the right direction. When I had to learn about Credit Derivative Swaps, I stayed late and read as much as I could. Now everybody just assumes I have a degree.I never talk about it with anybody but friends.
This brings to why I am writting you now. I was recently having dinner with a friend who stated I would never be this successful without at least a bachlor’s if I wasn’t in finance. I felt so horrible almost like I lied to world or something. I confinded in another who sent me your article. I felt very connected to you. It was taking a long time to graduate. I couldn’t decide what I wanted to do. I paid for school but at that age, I enjoyed socializing more than anything. I took time off and never went back. I always felt like I messed up and failed even though I seem to being doing just fine now. Thank you for your article!
I always like hearing about people that work hard and get ahead without a degree… In the process of applying to do one in 3D Animation at the moment but to be honest it’s not that important in our industry. I’d be doing it for the contacts more than anything else at this stage (and if it wasn’t free in this country I don’t think I’d be doing it at all).
That part’s almost incedental, because I’ve been trying to make things work as a freelancer/new blogger for a little while now; your post has helped make me feel like I’m not wasting my time with all this work. Thank you!
Heather, the free thing makes a difference, for sure. I know so many people who can’t or didn’t finish college for financial reasons (like me). You’re not wasting your time, you’re exploring possibilities. Keep at it.
Thanks for the encouragment Amber 🙂
A friend just sent me this article today. I currently working in Tecnology for a finacial firm. I was laid off from a business career in MI. I moved to NY hoping to find a job and I did. It only took me three weeks to find one. I have been here for almost fours years and so far have not been without a job.
I have the same little dirty secret. I too took a second job when i was still at entry level. I always felt lucky in that I found mentors who would teach me and lead me in what seems to be the right direction. When I had to learn about Credit Derivative Swaps, I stayed late and read as much as I could. Now everybody just assumes I have a degree.I never talk about it with anybody but friends.
This brings to why I am writting you now. I was recently having dinner with a friend who stated I would never be this successful without at least a bachlor’s if I wasn’t in finance. I felt so horrible almost like I lied to world or something. I confinded in another who sent me your article. I felt very connected to you. It was taking a long time to graduate. I couldn’t decide what I wanted to do. I paid for school but at that age, I enjoyed socializing more than anything. I took time off and never went back. I always felt like I messed up and failed even though I seem to being doing just fine now. Thank you for your article!
Truly inspiring and pushing us to work harder when it comes to crafting a particular skill,Thanks for sharing your ideas own gaining the right kind of experience which does matters more then a 3 letter degree.
I never made to the college where I wanted to due to some financial reasons but I have finally got the right career path to work on keeping my reality in front of me and dreams back of mind which keep pushing me to do something great and yes people like you to learn from.
Thanks for that, Akash. Keep doing what you’re doing. Perseverance counts for an awful lot.
Truly inspiring and pushing us to work harder when it comes to crafting a particular skill,Thanks for sharing your ideas own gaining the right kind of experience which does matters more then a 3 letter degree.
I never made to the college where I wanted to due to some financial reasons but I have finally got the right career path to work on keeping my reality in front of me and dreams back of mind which keep pushing me to do something great and yes people like you to learn from.
Thanks for that, Akash. Keep doing what you’re doing. Perseverance counts for an awful lot.
Thanks for this post. I am similar to you (in my case I was in a music college for a couple of years).
I’ve been self-employed most of my life so having no degree has’t been an issue for me however, I’ve always found “degrees” strange as they so often have very little relation to what people actually do. I get it for professions like doctors, but for other things, not so much.
I miss having spent more time in post-secondary learning, but it’s often used by those who have it as “badges.” I have worked with people with many degrees who were clearly good at getting degrees, but not much of anything else. 🙂
.-= John McLachlan´s last blog ..Balance is a Myth =-.
I always said that if I had unlimited funds, I’d be a student forever. I LOVE to learn and it’s a passion project for me, but the piece of paper just wasn’t in my cards. I’m amazed at how many people have joined here in the comments to say the same. Thanks for sharing, John.
Thanks for this post. I am similar to you (in my case I was in a music college for a couple of years).
I’ve been self-employed most of my life so having no degree has’t been an issue for me however, I’ve always found “degrees” strange as they so often have very little relation to what people actually do. I get it for professions like doctors, but for other things, not so much.
I miss having spent more time in post-secondary learning, but it’s often used by those who have it as “badges.” I have worked with people with many degrees who were clearly good at getting degrees, but not much of anything else. 🙂
.-= John McLachlan´s last blog ..Balance is a Myth =-.
I always said that if I had unlimited funds, I’d be a student forever. I LOVE to learn and it’s a passion project for me, but the piece of paper just wasn’t in my cards. I’m amazed at how many people have joined here in the comments to say the same. Thanks for sharing, John.
Very interesting read!
I was trained as a Mining engr in college for 4 yrs. And what I am doing now? Social media entrepreneurship and Mobile app development for parents!
Funny how that works, huh? Thanks for sharing your experience.
Very interesting read!
I was trained as a Mining engr in college for 4 yrs. And what I am doing now? Social media entrepreneurship and Mobile app development for parents!
Funny how that works, huh? Thanks for sharing your experience.
Amber,
As someone who “finished” college eight years after he was “supposed” to, I know how hard it was to write this post.
It is not about the piece of paper. It is about who you are, the talents you demonstrate and the passion who bring to the task.
Too much in this life is based on milestones that are supposed to mean that you have achieved a certain level of competancy. Not enough is based on how competant you really are.
Not only are you a true student, but you are a true teacher as well.
You don’t need a piece of paper to prove that.
Always my best,
Jon
It was a lot harder years ago. It doesn’t bug me anymore, though I’m still surprised by how many folks still can’t wrap their head around it. I finally learned that my milestones are for ME, not for anyone else. Thanks for sharing your story, too, and being part of what makes all of this worthwhile.
Amber,
As someone who “finished” college eight years after he was “supposed” to, I know how hard it was to write this post.
It is not about the piece of paper. It is about who you are, the talents you demonstrate and the passion who bring to the task.
Too much in this life is based on milestones that are supposed to mean that you have achieved a certain level of competancy. Not enough is based on how competant you really are.
Not only are you a true student, but you are a true teacher as well.
You don’t need a piece of paper to prove that.
Always my best,
Jon
It was a lot harder years ago. It doesn’t bug me anymore, though I’m still surprised by how many folks still can’t wrap their head around it. I finally learned that my milestones are for ME, not for anyone else. Thanks for sharing your story, too, and being part of what makes all of this worthwhile.
What a great story! Love reading about people’s experiences and the road well travelled. Life is but a journey and there is more than one path along the way for people to make choices. It isn’t always the destination that matters but the lessons we learn along the way that matters.
My brother and I made different choices; one went to college, the other didn’t. We do different things but are still
very close. I could never understand why people make degrees the sine qua non, many great entrepreneurs skipped college or dropped out.
People are still people, that’s what matters.
.-= Sally´s last blog ..Making things happen in Pharma land =-.
The lessons learned really are it, Sally. I’ve learned so many things outside the classroom that I could never have replaced through formal education. It has its value, but putting it up there as the only thing that qualifies you for a path in life is just narrowminded (and surprisingly still a prevalent attitude in corporate America). Thanks for the comment.
What a great story! Love reading about people’s experiences and the road well travelled. Life is but a journey and there is more than one path along the way for people to make choices. It isn’t always the destination that matters but the lessons we learn along the way that matters.
My brother and I made different choices; one went to college, the other didn’t. We do different things but are still
very close. I could never understand why people make degrees the sine qua non, many great entrepreneurs skipped college or dropped out.
People are still people, that’s what matters.
.-= Sally´s last blog ..Making things happen in Pharma land =-.
The lessons learned really are it, Sally. I’ve learned so many things outside the classroom that I could never have replaced through formal education. It has its value, but putting it up there as the only thing that qualifies you for a path in life is just narrowminded (and surprisingly still a prevalent attitude in corporate America). Thanks for the comment.
From here, it seems that your success has come in following your passion(s). That’s always a great recipe for success, one I’m learning later rather than sooner.
.-= dmcconnell´s last blog ..11 Ways You May Be Sabotaging Your Vacation =-.
I agree! You can’t go wrong if you listen to and follow your heart!
.-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.
That’s part of it, sure. But passion alone isn’t enough, either. You have to be willing to grind hard and do the work to make something out of the passion itself. Otherwise, you’re just dreaming. 🙂
Point well taken, Amber. Your hard work is very evident. The lesson I’ve learned is that following your passion makes the hard work infinitely more pleasurable.
College is the mainstream route to opening doors and minds. Being self-directed and hard-working can open doors your whole life rather than just the four or so years it takes to get a degree.
Great post, and good to hear that you and Chris never let a formalized pronouncement of your very natural intelligence stop you. It’s inspiring.
Now, back to my self-imposed SM bootcamp and immersion. 🙂
From here, it seems that your success has come in following your passion(s). That’s always a great recipe for success, one I’m learning later rather than sooner.
.-= dmcconnell´s last blog ..11 Ways You May Be Sabotaging Your Vacation =-.
I agree! You can’t go wrong if you listen to and follow your heart!
.-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.
That’s part of it, sure. But passion alone isn’t enough, either. You have to be willing to grind hard and do the work to make something out of the passion itself. Otherwise, you’re just dreaming. 🙂
Point well taken, Amber. Your hard work is very evident. The lesson I’ve learned is that following your passion makes the hard work infinitely more pleasurable.
College is the mainstream route to opening doors and minds. Being self-directed and hard-working can open doors your whole life rather than just the four or so years it takes to get a degree.
Great post, and good to hear that you and Chris never let a formalized pronouncement of your very natural intelligence stop you. It’s inspiring.
Now, back to my self-imposed SM bootcamp and immersion. 🙂
Amber,
Beautiful post; thank you. I was fortunate to learn much during my four years at a beautiful University (Go VANDY!) but also during my many months waiting tables and housekeeping at a guest house in Pitlochry, Scotland. Every experience you have is a component of who you become…so long as you are willing to learn and experience fully.
I’m sharing this with my husband. He does not feel his South African Associate’s degree in hospitality has served him well…I want him to see the way it’s shaped him. Perhaps your words will carry more weight than mine? 😉
.-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.
I learned soooo much bartending and waiting tables. I seriously think it ought to be something that more people are required to do. What a lesson in human nature, humility, and treating other people with respect.
As for your husband, send him my way. I have plenty to share. 🙂 Thanks for sharing your story, and please encourage him that he’s not alone.
Amber,
Beautiful post; thank you. I was fortunate to learn much during my four years at a beautiful University (Go VANDY!) but also during my many months waiting tables and housekeeping at a guest house in Pitlochry, Scotland. Every experience you have is a component of who you become…so long as you are willing to learn and experience fully.
I’m sharing this with my husband. He does not feel his South African Associate’s degree in hospitality has served him well…I want him to see the way it’s shaped him. Perhaps your words will carry more weight than mine? 😉
.-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.
I learned soooo much bartending and waiting tables. I seriously think it ought to be something that more people are required to do. What a lesson in human nature, humility, and treating other people with respect.
As for your husband, send him my way. I have plenty to share. 🙂 Thanks for sharing your story, and please encourage him that he’s not alone.
Hey Amber!
Appreciate your post. I did not graduate from college until I was 35 and until then wasted a lot of time fretting about what my colleagues and co-workers would think of me if they knew. When I stopped worrying about it and just started soaking in all the experience I was getting, my life became infinitely more interesting and fulfilling.
Great post. Thanks for your insight.
Claire
That’s just it, right? When you finally stop worrying about the stigma, you get busy paying attention to what really matters. Thanks for sharing your experiences, too, Claire. I’m glad you’re here.
Hey Amber!
Appreciate your post. I did not graduate from college until I was 35 and until then wasted a lot of time fretting about what my colleagues and co-workers would think of me if they knew. When I stopped worrying about it and just started soaking in all the experience I was getting, my life became infinitely more interesting and fulfilling.
Great post. Thanks for your insight.
Claire
That’s just it, right? When you finally stop worrying about the stigma, you get busy paying attention to what really matters. Thanks for sharing your experiences, too, Claire. I’m glad you’re here.
I had to peak when I saw your tweak but your post hits home too. I am much older than you (53) and my major was sociology / pre-law and I was moving toward a minor or maybe a double-major in English. I dropped out after 89 credits.
I’ve been self-employed for over 25 years as a career marketing professional and a non-profit operations manager up until December when I decided it was time to take the career side of me full time and I resigned from my last non-profit, Wausau Whitewater. I held that contract for 12 years, another for 17 years…
My degree wasn’t in the direction life took me and I have learned so much more since then and for me in the last few years, learning is ramping not slowing down.
I work with so many clients who are fearful about the lack of degree and even those who know how successful they have been without one are fearful of applying for jobs that seem to put so much emphasis on the degree.
I also know many clients whose degrees are so off field from what they are doing and those who don’t have a desire to work in their field.
As a career professional, I am almost angry with companies who can’t see that the piece of paper is not the differentiator… it is the heart and soul and drive of the person.
You go, Amber!
Much older? Come now. I’m 34 and 53 isn’t that far away. So shush. 🙂
And good on you for following the path you created, rather than the one that’s been laid out for you by someone else. That’s inspirational, and I’m thankful you shared here.
I saw you say Crusade, Amber… if you started one, I think you would have the whole career community behind you. We all have stories of candidates who have been blocked from a position that they could more than fill because of a requirement for a degree. A filter to get the level of candidates they need is one thing… but elimination when every other qualification and keyword is a dead match is sad and robs many employers of the best candidate.
On the age thing… I don’t feel old in the least… and I don’t hide it either…
.-= Julie Walraven | Resume Services´s last blog ..Building Community Wherever You Go =-.
I had to peak when I saw your tweak but your post hits home too. I am much older than you (53) and my major was sociology / pre-law and I was moving toward a minor or maybe a double-major in English. I dropped out after 89 credits.
I’ve been self-employed for over 25 years as a career marketing professional and a non-profit operations manager up until December when I decided it was time to take the career side of me full time and I resigned from my last non-profit, Wausau Whitewater. I held that contract for 12 years, another for 17 years…
My degree wasn’t in the direction life took me and I have learned so much more since then and for me in the last few years, learning is ramping not slowing down.
I work with so many clients who are fearful about the lack of degree and even those who know how successful they have been without one are fearful of applying for jobs that seem to put so much emphasis on the degree.
I also know many clients whose degrees are so off field from what they are doing and those who don’t have a desire to work in their field.
As a career professional, I am almost angry with companies who can’t see that the piece of paper is not the differentiator… it is the heart and soul and drive of the person.
You go, Amber!
Much older? Come now. I’m 34 and 53 isn’t that far away. So shush. 🙂
And good on you for following the path you created, rather than the one that’s been laid out for you by someone else. That’s inspirational, and I’m thankful you shared here.
I saw you say Crusade, Amber… if you started one, I think you would have the whole career community behind you. We all have stories of candidates who have been blocked from a position that they could more than fill because of a requirement for a degree. A filter to get the level of candidates they need is one thing… but elimination when every other qualification and keyword is a dead match is sad and robs many employers of the best candidate.
On the age thing… I don’t feel old in the least… and I don’t hide it either…
.-= Julie Walraven | Resume Services´s last blog ..Building Community Wherever You Go =-.
I’m not sure why, but it seems so strange to me that not having a degree would need to be a big secret, or that anyone would care that much.
That said, my story is similar — I have two partial degrees, Theatre and English. And, like you, good reasons for not having finished either, and for not needing to finish either. I’ve worked on teams where there were a LOT of degrees, and on teams where most of us were dropouts of one sort or another.
What you mentioned about the companies that have cared is very true. I’ve been turned down by a handful of companies for the lack of a degree, and invariably realized after getting to know them a bit that I didn’t really care. The one place still insisted on suits and pantyhose — in IT. 🙂
It’s become a bit of an educational opportunity, too. I get asked about hiring community managers fairly regularly, and two of the main points I make is that there isn’t one truth path to that role/experience in either education or business. I know community managers who were computer science majors or went to journalism school. I know people who got into it via PR, QA, or right out of school. It’s so much more about the “soft” skills and the results you’ve already shown that you produce.
.-= Melanie Baker´s last blog ..Unphotographable =-.
You’d be surprised, Melanie. People care. People ask all the time. And in my years in corporate America, I was told I couldn’t even bring in candidates to interview if they didn’t have paper. It happens, and it happens more than we’d like.
Thankfully, here in the comments, we’re seeing the tide that’s shifting a bit in the world. I can feel it. The internet entrepreneur generation really is shattering some of the old standards, and I’m encouraged to see that it’s mattering less and less as time goes on. It’s what you do that defines you, as Batman would say. 🙂
I’m not sure why, but it seems so strange to me that not having a degree would need to be a big secret, or that anyone would care that much.
That said, my story is similar — I have two partial degrees, Theatre and English. And, like you, good reasons for not having finished either, and for not needing to finish either. I’ve worked on teams where there were a LOT of degrees, and on teams where most of us were dropouts of one sort or another.
What you mentioned about the companies that have cared is very true. I’ve been turned down by a handful of companies for the lack of a degree, and invariably realized after getting to know them a bit that I didn’t really care. The one place still insisted on suits and pantyhose — in IT. 🙂
It’s become a bit of an educational opportunity, too. I get asked about hiring community managers fairly regularly, and two of the main points I make is that there isn’t one truth path to that role/experience in either education or business. I know community managers who were computer science majors or went to journalism school. I know people who got into it via PR, QA, or right out of school. It’s so much more about the “soft” skills and the results you’ve already shown that you produce.
.-= Melanie Baker´s last blog ..Unphotographable =-.
You’d be surprised, Melanie. People care. People ask all the time. And in my years in corporate America, I was told I couldn’t even bring in candidates to interview if they didn’t have paper. It happens, and it happens more than we’d like.
Thankfully, here in the comments, we’re seeing the tide that’s shifting a bit in the world. I can feel it. The internet entrepreneur generation really is shattering some of the old standards, and I’m encouraged to see that it’s mattering less and less as time goes on. It’s what you do that defines you, as Batman would say. 🙂
Amber, hard work is really what matters. While I’m glad I got my degree, and was even lucky enough to find work in my field (political science major, and really luck wasn’t it–I was, like you, willing to start at the very bottom rung and work my butt off), I don’t think a degree is the be-all end-all.
In fact, I am starting to feel as though a degree that one has to acquire huge amounts of debt to finish is actually the less-smart choice. Recently in the Wall Street Journal they profiled a woman who is about a half-million dollars in debt after getting a medical degree and then defaulting on some of her loans: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703389004575033063806327030.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
Thanks for sharing your story.
PS–another great book for your to-read list: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle. Amazing book, I’m about 1/2 way through it!
I’m always heartbroken by college debt stories. There are so many, and it seems like such a cruel price to pay for folks who are trying to do what they felt they needed to do. As a parent, it really gives me pause as to what I’m going to communicate to my daughter about the importance of education in the formal sense for her future.
Amber, hard work is really what matters. While I’m glad I got my degree, and was even lucky enough to find work in my field (political science major, and really luck wasn’t it–I was, like you, willing to start at the very bottom rung and work my butt off), I don’t think a degree is the be-all end-all.
In fact, I am starting to feel as though a degree that one has to acquire huge amounts of debt to finish is actually the less-smart choice. Recently in the Wall Street Journal they profiled a woman who is about a half-million dollars in debt after getting a medical degree and then defaulting on some of her loans: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703389004575033063806327030.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
Thanks for sharing your story.
PS–another great book for your to-read list: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle. Amazing book, I’m about 1/2 way through it!
I’m always heartbroken by college debt stories. There are so many, and it seems like such a cruel price to pay for folks who are trying to do what they felt they needed to do. As a parent, it really gives me pause as to what I’m going to communicate to my daughter about the importance of education in the formal sense for her future.
Thanks so much for sharing this. There were 13 years between my Associates & Bachelors’ degrees. I went back to college after my youngest daughter was old enough to work the microwave and do her own laundry. ;o)
The linear route to a goal is overrated, and it is very often through the “detours” that a goal is more sharply focused and more accurately defined.
Passion, intelligence and results trump “paper brain” theory every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Congratulations to you (although I know that’s not why you posted this).
Best, M.
.-= Molly Cantrell-Kraig´s last blog ..mckra1g: @BlueFielder Would I need a sherpa to navigate your sock drawer? ;o) #Muir #nature =-.
Hi Molly, thanks as always for your support, and for sharing your story too. The detours are certainly where I earned the bumps, bruises, and character lessons, and those have taught me infinitely more than I can remember from classes. And in fact, the experiences IN school that taught me the most had more to do with the extracurricular stuff and the people.
Thanks again for the comment.
Thanks so much for sharing this. There were 13 years between my Associates & Bachelors’ degrees. I went back to college after my youngest daughter was old enough to work the microwave and do her own laundry. ;o)
The linear route to a goal is overrated, and it is very often through the “detours” that a goal is more sharply focused and more accurately defined.
Passion, intelligence and results trump “paper brain” theory every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Congratulations to you (although I know that’s not why you posted this).
Best, M.
.-= Molly Cantrell-Kraig´s last blog ..mckra1g: @BlueFielder Would I need a sherpa to navigate your sock drawer? ;o) #Muir #nature =-.
Hi Molly, thanks as always for your support, and for sharing your story too. The detours are certainly where I earned the bumps, bruises, and character lessons, and those have taught me infinitely more than I can remember from classes. And in fact, the experiences IN school that taught me the most had more to do with the extracurricular stuff and the people.
Thanks again for the comment.
Amber, I have two degrees; first took me 8 years to finish. Neither degree is in the field I really wanted. In my 40+ years experience, I’ve learned that a degree doesn’t mean you know anything; it only means you’ve been exposed. There’s a big step between being exposed and knowing and your track record shows whether you’ve bridged that gap.
That’s a great way to look at it. Exposure is one thing, but immersion and experience is wholly another. Thanks for the comment, Bob.
Amber, I have two degrees; first took me 8 years to finish. Neither degree is in the field I really wanted. In my 40+ years experience, I’ve learned that a degree doesn’t mean you know anything; it only means you’ve been exposed. There’s a big step between being exposed and knowing and your track record shows whether you’ve bridged that gap.
That’s a great way to look at it. Exposure is one thing, but immersion and experience is wholly another. Thanks for the comment, Bob.
Great post. I can relate to so much of it.
A lack of a degree has never held me back, and I’m at the stage where I’m now working hard, in my “spare time” learning & putting into practice a wide variety of new skills.. so I can pursue my passion & move into my dream role in the (hopefully not too distant) future.
It’s not an easy path… I find I’m constantly busy & never seem to get any real down time, as I’m working full time, then doing the pursuit of my dream in my own time….. but I believe if you want something enough & are prepared to work really hard for it, it will happen. Degree or no degree. Drive & passion is what makes all the difference.
i’m so glad to hear that, Linda. Keep fighting the good fight. It’s the only thing that really gets you where you want to go. Promise. 🙂
Great post. I can relate to so much of it.
A lack of a degree has never held me back, and I’m at the stage where I’m now working hard, in my “spare time” learning & putting into practice a wide variety of new skills.. so I can pursue my passion & move into my dream role in the (hopefully not too distant) future.
It’s not an easy path… I find I’m constantly busy & never seem to get any real down time, as I’m working full time, then doing the pursuit of my dream in my own time….. but I believe if you want something enough & are prepared to work really hard for it, it will happen. Degree or no degree. Drive & passion is what makes all the difference.
i’m so glad to hear that, Linda. Keep fighting the good fight. It’s the only thing that really gets you where you want to go. Promise. 🙂
Dear Amber,
Although not a secret, I, too, not only don’t have a college degree, I have no college experience and was not even able to finish High School w/ my class. Yet, like you, I’ve gone on to unimaginable success and happiness because we followed our heart, our dreams.
I admire you and what you are accomplishing. You are doing great things, changing the universe, making this world a better place.
I send you much love and light, and than you for your courage.
Your fan,
r
Good for you, Robbie. I’m so glad to hear it, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep at it, and let’s keep proving conventional wisdom wrong.
Dear Amber,
Although not a secret, I, too, not only don’t have a college degree, I have no college experience and was not even able to finish High School w/ my class. Yet, like you, I’ve gone on to unimaginable success and happiness because we followed our heart, our dreams.
I admire you and what you are accomplishing. You are doing great things, changing the universe, making this world a better place.
I send you much love and light, and than you for your courage.
Your fan,
r
Good for you, Robbie. I’m so glad to hear it, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep at it, and let’s keep proving conventional wisdom wrong.
I never went to university, Amber — decided to travel to Australia and live in Israel for two years instead. Best life education I ever had!
@johncarson
John, I bet it was! Do you have a post or anything somewhere that shares some of those experiences? I’d love to read it.
I never went to university, Amber — decided to travel to Australia and live in Israel for two years instead. Best life education I ever had!
@johncarson
John, I bet it was! Do you have a post or anything somewhere that shares some of those experiences? I’d love to read it.
Awesome. Love this post, because people need to know that life does not come down to degrees, it comes down to passion and effort, almost always. A degree can put you in a nice position, it can make you seem more important to others in my opinion, but it does not ever mean you can really do anything.
A good friend of one my brothers likes to say, “Ya know buddy, not every doctor graduates at the top of their class at Harvard. And frankly graduating at the top of your class does not mean you can actually do what you think you know.”
Give me idea hounds and passionate people any and every day versus someone can flaunt a 4.0 GPA and 8 semesters on the dean’s list.
I went to college, studied English Literature and become a media strategist in marketing. Zero connection. I am already prepping both of my kids, if you want to go to college, fine, but make sure it is to DO something specific, not to just get a degree.
Keep on truckin’ Amber, it is about what you do, not about what you can put in a frame.
Patrick, I love the point about not every doctor graduating at the top of their class. As we used to say, C’s get degrees. And I’m not sure that’s really what the system intended when it was built. And I’m with you; the most inspirational people I know are just like us. Thanks for being here and sharing your experience. I appreciate it.
Awesome. Love this post, because people need to know that life does not come down to degrees, it comes down to passion and effort, almost always. A degree can put you in a nice position, it can make you seem more important to others in my opinion, but it does not ever mean you can really do anything.
A good friend of one my brothers likes to say, “Ya know buddy, not every doctor graduates at the top of their class at Harvard. And frankly graduating at the top of your class does not mean you can actually do what you think you know.”
Give me idea hounds and passionate people any and every day versus someone can flaunt a 4.0 GPA and 8 semesters on the dean’s list.
I went to college, studied English Literature and become a media strategist in marketing. Zero connection. I am already prepping both of my kids, if you want to go to college, fine, but make sure it is to DO something specific, not to just get a degree.
Keep on truckin’ Amber, it is about what you do, not about what you can put in a frame.
Patrick, I love the point about not every doctor graduating at the top of their class. As we used to say, C’s get degrees. And I’m not sure that’s really what the system intended when it was built. And I’m with you; the most inspirational people I know are just like us. Thanks for being here and sharing your experience. I appreciate it.
Hey Amber,
Good for you. I have a couple of degrees, but I don’t feel like they make me any more qualified than anybody else—it’s what I can do that matters. I enjoyed my studies, learned a lot, but there are a lot of ways to learn, and getting the official stamp of approval from the educational industrial complex does not have much to do with one’s skills and abilities.
Last I checked, Bill Gates didn’t finish college. He seems to have done OK.
I love, love learning. Love it. But like you, I never felt more qualified because of my classes, but much more because of my experiences. And Bill Gates is just one example; I know many brilliant minds that are in that same boat. What I wonder is, knowing that, why corporate America just doesn’t seem to have caught on that using the degree as a rigid filter is just shortsighted?
We need a crusade or something. 🙂
Hey Amber,
Good for you. I have a couple of degrees, but I don’t feel like they make me any more qualified than anybody else—it’s what I can do that matters. I enjoyed my studies, learned a lot, but there are a lot of ways to learn, and getting the official stamp of approval from the educational industrial complex does not have much to do with one’s skills and abilities.
Last I checked, Bill Gates didn’t finish college. He seems to have done OK.
I love, love learning. Love it. But like you, I never felt more qualified because of my classes, but much more because of my experiences. And Bill Gates is just one example; I know many brilliant minds that are in that same boat. What I wonder is, knowing that, why corporate America just doesn’t seem to have caught on that using the degree as a rigid filter is just shortsighted?
We need a crusade or something. 🙂
Amber,
I don’t have a degree either. The hardest part about changing jobs without a degree is getting passed the initial resume “screening”. If I can get people to actually look at my experience, references and portfolio, they usually forget about the lack of a degree.
Yep, that’s the hard part. And to me, it’s sad that it’s that way. I want to change that mindset somehow. And I don’t want to devalue the good parts of a solid education, but I do want to encourage companies to not use that degree as a make or break filter for granting interviews. I still see way too much of that for my taste. Thanks for the comment.
I have a dirty little secret as well. Even though I have built a company over a sixteen year period and become as credentialed as possible in my field, I have a (dramatic pause) G.E.D.
Let’s just say my teenage years were a little rough. I came out the other side broken, beat, and scarred (thanks Metallica) but motivated. I wanted to become a counselor to help others like me. I went to work for a non-profit program in St.Louis and began building a career. This program sent to a specialized counselor training program in which I was able to receive the necessary classroom hours to earn state and national certification.
I was later hired as a director for a program in Atlanta. I eventually bought out the ownership of this program and have owned it since 1993. We have also expanded into two other cities. A few years ago, I decided I wanted to expand my career to include writing and speaking. I have great employees capable of operating the day to day affairs of my business. I continue to find mentors and seek advice of others who have guided me well through this new professional chapter of my life.
The way I have gone about my professional development is certainly unconventional, but it has worked for me. Thank you for sharing your story, it has given me the important reminder that the direction I have chosen is mine. It has worked for me and I can share this wisdom and experience with others.
Clint, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m inspired, and I’m so grateful that folks here could experience it too. Please keep doing what you’re doing. You’re way past anything else mattering. Kudos, and cheers.
Amber,
I don’t have a degree either. The hardest part about changing jobs without a degree is getting passed the initial resume “screening”. If I can get people to actually look at my experience, references and portfolio, they usually forget about the lack of a degree.
Yep, that’s the hard part. And to me, it’s sad that it’s that way. I want to change that mindset somehow. And I don’t want to devalue the good parts of a solid education, but I do want to encourage companies to not use that degree as a make or break filter for granting interviews. I still see way too much of that for my taste. Thanks for the comment.
I have a dirty little secret as well. Even though I have built a company over a sixteen year period and become as credentialed as possible in my field, I have a (dramatic pause) G.E.D.
Let’s just say my teenage years were a little rough. I came out the other side broken, beat, and scarred (thanks Metallica) but motivated. I wanted to become a counselor to help others like me. I went to work for a non-profit program in St.Louis and began building a career. This program sent to a specialized counselor training program in which I was able to receive the necessary classroom hours to earn state and national certification.
I was later hired as a director for a program in Atlanta. I eventually bought out the ownership of this program and have owned it since 1993. We have also expanded into two other cities. A few years ago, I decided I wanted to expand my career to include writing and speaking. I have great employees capable of operating the day to day affairs of my business. I continue to find mentors and seek advice of others who have guided me well through this new professional chapter of my life.
The way I have gone about my professional development is certainly unconventional, but it has worked for me. Thank you for sharing your story, it has given me the important reminder that the direction I have chosen is mine. It has worked for me and I can share this wisdom and experience with others.
Clint, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m inspired, and I’m so grateful that folks here could experience it too. Please keep doing what you’re doing. You’re way past anything else mattering. Kudos, and cheers.
Thanks for sharing your story! It’s very encouraging to me. I’ve never liked checking “some college” on a survey! And even though I do technically have a degree, it’s “only” an Associates, and it’s in Music Evangelism and Performance. I intended to build on it, but was already very active in ministry and travel. It got to the point where I couldn’t keep up with both. I received the best advice from my college advisor to follow my heart, choose one path, and do it with everything in me. I chose to be out there making a difference. Through the course of time, I helped non-profits along the way with things like graphic design, marketing and communication (things I was already doing for my purposes that got noticed).
I still remember sending in artwork for one of my first designs I had done for a church project, and got a call back from the company fulfilling our collateral asking who did our design work. I sheepishly admitted it was me, expecting to hear that my inexperience caused problems. Instead the design work was praised, and it was the owner of the company who called personally. When I explained I didn’t have formal design education, he said he hires a lot of people right out of college and hasn’t seen half the talent that this project reflected. Wow! I know full well that education can’t “teach” talent, just build upon it, but that was a strong affirming moment for me!
That lead to the confidence to look for a “real” graphic design job. And that led to a marketing job, then marketing VP, and when I moved across the country I had a list of clients, did freelance, and continued helping non-profits, which has led to my most challenging career position to date as a Chief Communications Officer for a large organization in Oklahoma. But what got me here is a passion to make a difference.
And you know what? That’s what matters to me personally … Helping those who are helping others … Even if I don’t have a string of degrees behind my name.
.-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..Girls and Airplanes (and Pearls) =-.
Ingrid – I absolutely love your story, and thank you for sharing it here to encourage others. You’re proof that this renegade approach can still work, and I’m sure you’ve inspired several people reading this to pursue their passions and not get hung up on the technicalities. You’re an inspiration. Thanks.
I’m just amazed at all the responses you have received … and that you find the time to reply! WOW!
.-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..A vision for girls … =-.
Thanks for sharing your story! It’s very encouraging to me. I’ve never liked checking “some college” on a survey! And even though I do technically have a degree, it’s “only” an Associates, and it’s in Music Evangelism and Performance. I intended to build on it, but was already very active in ministry and travel. It got to the point where I couldn’t keep up with both. I received the best advice from my college advisor to follow my heart, choose one path, and do it with everything in me. I chose to be out there making a difference. Through the course of time, I helped non-profits along the way with things like graphic design, marketing and communication (things I was already doing for my purposes that got noticed).
I still remember sending in artwork for one of my first designs I had done for a church project, and got a call back from the company fulfilling our collateral asking who did our design work. I sheepishly admitted it was me, expecting to hear that my inexperience caused problems. Instead the design work was praised, and it was the owner of the company who called personally. When I explained I didn’t have formal design education, he said he hires a lot of people right out of college and hasn’t seen half the talent that this project reflected. Wow! I know full well that education can’t “teach” talent, just build upon it, but that was a strong affirming moment for me!
That lead to the confidence to look for a “real” graphic design job. And that led to a marketing job, then marketing VP, and when I moved across the country I had a list of clients, did freelance, and continued helping non-profits, which has led to my most challenging career position to date as a Chief Communications Officer for a large organization in Oklahoma. But what got me here is a passion to make a difference.
And you know what? That’s what matters to me personally … Helping those who are helping others … Even if I don’t have a string of degrees behind my name.
.-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..Girls and Airplanes (and Pearls) =-.
Ingrid – I absolutely love your story, and thank you for sharing it here to encourage others. You’re proof that this renegade approach can still work, and I’m sure you’ve inspired several people reading this to pursue their passions and not get hung up on the technicalities. You’re an inspiration. Thanks.
I’m just amazed at all the responses you have received … and that you find the time to reply! WOW!
.-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..A vision for girls … =-.
this post turned my stomach in a positive way…can’t explain it in any other terms…
it all starts with a humble spirit and a determination bent on passion.
I. Am. Encouraged.
great word Amber…once again, a homerun…
Summer
Thanks, Summer. I’m happy it helped. Determination counts for an awful lot. It’s the only thing that makes you get back up, one more time, dust yourself off, and hit it again. Go get ’em.
this post turned my stomach in a positive way…can’t explain it in any other terms…
it all starts with a humble spirit and a determination bent on passion.
I. Am. Encouraged.
great word Amber…once again, a homerun…
Summer
Thanks, Summer. I’m happy it helped. Determination counts for an awful lot. It’s the only thing that makes you get back up, one more time, dust yourself off, and hit it again. Go get ’em.
I love your story. Here’s the thing about it that really sticks — your ability to take in and learn from the “outside” world and your drive to do something you love gave you all the experience you needed to be successful. Degrees and pieces of paper are signs you went through a closed-network process of learning, which can be important, but not necessary, and I think you’re tremendous proof of that.
In my job search I was asked over and over about my degree, since it has no direct tie or angle into marketing and communications. If I ever went into the real background — “Well, I started out a vocal performance major, but, when I lost my voice for 3 months and couldn’t get a handle on what was happening, I was kicked out of the program…” — all I got were raised eyebrows and doubt.
You are a true testament to just how much can be achieved with perseverance and passion, and I’m honored and humbled to be able to work with you. 🙂 (And thank YOU for believing in ME.)
That’s a really interesting phrase – a closed network of learning. I have to chew on that one, but I like it a lot. It explains some of the limitations we need to be aware of in any education “system”.
And believe in you? Heck, I’m inspired by you.
I love your story. Here’s the thing about it that really sticks — your ability to take in and learn from the “outside” world and your drive to do something you love gave you all the experience you needed to be successful. Degrees and pieces of paper are signs you went through a closed-network process of learning, which can be important, but not necessary, and I think you’re tremendous proof of that.
In my job search I was asked over and over about my degree, since it has no direct tie or angle into marketing and communications. If I ever went into the real background — “Well, I started out a vocal performance major, but, when I lost my voice for 3 months and couldn’t get a handle on what was happening, I was kicked out of the program…” — all I got were raised eyebrows and doubt.
You are a true testament to just how much can be achieved with perseverance and passion, and I’m honored and humbled to be able to work with you. 🙂 (And thank YOU for believing in ME.)
That’s a really interesting phrase – a closed network of learning. I have to chew on that one, but I like it a lot. It explains some of the limitations we need to be aware of in any education “system”.
And believe in you? Heck, I’m inspired by you.
Your story resonates with me so very much. While I do have a degree it is in a different field than where I am now. I love how you followed your passion and it kept taking you to different places. Music is a big part of my life as well. Your honesty and transparency is so refreshing. I am looking forward to following you and your next post!
Thanks, Kacy. I’m glad you’re here, and thankful you took the time to post your thoughts.
Your story resonates with me so very much. While I do have a degree it is in a different field than where I am now. I love how you followed your passion and it kept taking you to different places. Music is a big part of my life as well. Your honesty and transparency is so refreshing. I am looking forward to following you and your next post!
Thanks, Kacy. I’m glad you’re here, and thankful you took the time to post your thoughts.
WHAT?? Say it ain’t so. So all of the really smart things you’ve said and shared are in reality dumb or wrong? I mean come on…no college degree? How can you be credible, helpful, experienced or smart without one of those?
This is exactly the same reason that Winston Churchill, Whole Food founder John Mackey and George Bernard Shaw were total failures too.
Shame on you! Now go take an English Lit class! ;-}
Drew
.-= Drew McLellan´s last blog ..5 ways to building a committed team =-.
Hey, I loved English Lit. And lots of other classes for that matter. I just didn’t finish, which is what kind of confuses me. All the work I did TO that point isn’t valid unless I take the last few classes? That’s what bugs me. I learned plenty, but how I’m applying it now is totally different.
And yeah, it’s encouraging to me to see more and more world leaders that haven’t taken traditional education paths. It’s eye opening.
WHAT?? Say it ain’t so. So all of the really smart things you’ve said and shared are in reality dumb or wrong? I mean come on…no college degree? How can you be credible, helpful, experienced or smart without one of those?
This is exactly the same reason that Winston Churchill, Whole Food founder John Mackey and George Bernard Shaw were total failures too.
Shame on you! Now go take an English Lit class! ;-}
Drew
.-= Drew McLellan´s last blog ..5 ways to building a committed team =-.
Hey, I loved English Lit. And lots of other classes for that matter. I just didn’t finish, which is what kind of confuses me. All the work I did TO that point isn’t valid unless I take the last few classes? That’s what bugs me. I learned plenty, but how I’m applying it now is totally different.
And yeah, it’s encouraging to me to see more and more world leaders that haven’t taken traditional education paths. It’s eye opening.
Amber,
Bravo on a great post, most importantly, very inspiring. I saw you speak in New York at a mediabistro event and people hung on your every word, I don’t think you’re ‘dirty little secret’ diminishes that, if anything, I think it enhances your story.
In a world in which financial strains can keep people from attending or finishing college, or pressuing them to get a degree in something that will enable them to pay back their student loans (circular reasoning, perhaps, but reasoning based on necessity, which I can personally relate to), vs. going to college to ‘follow your dream’ … I think its important for younger folks (and older folks and everyone in between) to know that there is a path to ‘following your dream’ even if a person can’t fulfill the standard educational requirement of a college degree for some reason, particularly if its a financial reason largely beyond their control, but not beyond their abilities, which can be proven in other ways, and particularly for jobs in which on-the-job training can make up a lot of the difference (as opposed to, e.g. medical school, as someone noted above).
A twist on this which I have seen, is when someone starts out with a Bachelors degree in one field (e.g. Accounting), and has talent to become a Trader, or otherwise ‘do deals’, even getting an MBA at night, and still being told “No, you’re an accounting, we don’t want to move you to the Trading Floor.” That happened to two of my colleagues when I worked in banking in the mid-1980s, they both got their MBA at NYU at night, they could not transfer to the Trading Floor, because they started out with Big Eight (at the time, it was the Big Eight) CPA firms; they both ended up leaving the bank, with one becoming a Trader at Merrill, and one becoming a Trader at Chase Manhattan Bank. I had a similar experience, in which I wanted to transfer from Accounting Policy to a credit analysis function, I actually had an interview scheduled with someone in the credit analysis function, and my interview was cancelled by the HR person for my department. In the longrun, one department’s desire to keep a ‘lock’ on its people, and other department’s views that an ‘accountant’ could never become a ‘trader’, only served to send a message to people to seek opportunity somewhere else.
Thanks again for your encouraging message, I think it is very, very important when a highly respected person in their field steps out with a story like this, it will definitely provide hope and inspiration for people at various stages in their careers.
Edith – glad you were in NYC for the panel! And you raise some very important issues that Teresa touched on too; sometimes financial opportunity just doesn’t exist for some people, so they NEED to find alternatives. I want to keep advocating for the idea that there’s more than one way to skin the “knowledge and education” cat.
Interesting about the transferrable skills thing, though. I hadn’t seen that sticking point before, but I can see how it would emerge, for sure.
Amber,
Bravo on a great post, most importantly, very inspiring. I saw you speak in New York at a mediabistro event and people hung on your every word, I don’t think you’re ‘dirty little secret’ diminishes that, if anything, I think it enhances your story.
In a world in which financial strains can keep people from attending or finishing college, or pressuing them to get a degree in something that will enable them to pay back their student loans (circular reasoning, perhaps, but reasoning based on necessity, which I can personally relate to), vs. going to college to ‘follow your dream’ … I think its important for younger folks (and older folks and everyone in between) to know that there is a path to ‘following your dream’ even if a person can’t fulfill the standard educational requirement of a college degree for some reason, particularly if its a financial reason largely beyond their control, but not beyond their abilities, which can be proven in other ways, and particularly for jobs in which on-the-job training can make up a lot of the difference (as opposed to, e.g. medical school, as someone noted above).
A twist on this which I have seen, is when someone starts out with a Bachelors degree in one field (e.g. Accounting), and has talent to become a Trader, or otherwise ‘do deals’, even getting an MBA at night, and still being told “No, you’re an accounting, we don’t want to move you to the Trading Floor.” That happened to two of my colleagues when I worked in banking in the mid-1980s, they both got their MBA at NYU at night, they could not transfer to the Trading Floor, because they started out with Big Eight (at the time, it was the Big Eight) CPA firms; they both ended up leaving the bank, with one becoming a Trader at Merrill, and one becoming a Trader at Chase Manhattan Bank. I had a similar experience, in which I wanted to transfer from Accounting Policy to a credit analysis function, I actually had an interview scheduled with someone in the credit analysis function, and my interview was cancelled by the HR person for my department. In the longrun, one department’s desire to keep a ‘lock’ on its people, and other department’s views that an ‘accountant’ could never become a ‘trader’, only served to send a message to people to seek opportunity somewhere else.
Thanks again for your encouraging message, I think it is very, very important when a highly respected person in their field steps out with a story like this, it will definitely provide hope and inspiration for people at various stages in their careers.
Edith – glad you were in NYC for the panel! And you raise some very important issues that Teresa touched on too; sometimes financial opportunity just doesn’t exist for some people, so they NEED to find alternatives. I want to keep advocating for the idea that there’s more than one way to skin the “knowledge and education” cat.
Interesting about the transferrable skills thing, though. I hadn’t seen that sticking point before, but I can see how it would emerge, for sure.
Thank you for sharing. I am currently running my social media biz, managing 5 kids under 13 and attempting to complete my degree online. The idea of finishing what I started and adding credibility to my work was the reason I decided to go back to college online. To be honest, I absolutely HATE it;I have learned more through my 10 years of hands on experience in advertising and marketing then I have in the 3 years I have put into it the extended education. My children have less time with me and my Saturdays are spent reading textbooks and writing papers. To be honest, I don’t recall a college degree ever being discussed in any job offer ..my work always spoke for itself.
Now… if you would have shared your secret 3 years ago I may have saved $50k and many hours of what I sometimes feel to be a waste of my time. 🙂
Amber, you have inspired many individuals to look beyond a piece of paper and to look at the individual and what they can bring to the table. Thank you for sharing your story.
Nicole – I wouldn’t say you’re wasting your time. Education has value in many ways. What I’m arguing against is the notion that a degree is the only valid proof of a solid education. However, if you’re truly hating the online schooling, the key question is why? I loved school, I just couldn’t complete it. What you’re saying is that you aren’t enjoying it, so you’re wondering if it’s worth anything. That’s only a question you can answer, but it’s important to look at WHY you’re not getting anything out of it.
Thank you for sharing. I am currently running my social media biz, managing 5 kids under 13 and attempting to complete my degree online. The idea of finishing what I started and adding credibility to my work was the reason I decided to go back to college online. To be honest, I absolutely HATE it;I have learned more through my 10 years of hands on experience in advertising and marketing then I have in the 3 years I have put into it the extended education. My children have less time with me and my Saturdays are spent reading textbooks and writing papers. To be honest, I don’t recall a college degree ever being discussed in any job offer ..my work always spoke for itself.
Now… if you would have shared your secret 3 years ago I may have saved $50k and many hours of what I sometimes feel to be a waste of my time. 🙂
Amber, you have inspired many individuals to look beyond a piece of paper and to look at the individual and what they can bring to the table. Thank you for sharing your story.
Nicole – I wouldn’t say you’re wasting your time. Education has value in many ways. What I’m arguing against is the notion that a degree is the only valid proof of a solid education. However, if you’re truly hating the online schooling, the key question is why? I loved school, I just couldn’t complete it. What you’re saying is that you aren’t enjoying it, so you’re wondering if it’s worth anything. That’s only a question you can answer, but it’s important to look at WHY you’re not getting anything out of it.
Amber,
So glad you wrote this, for all those that find excuses instead of answers. Your lack of a degree was not going to stop you from reaching goals you set out for. You demonstrate that learned experiences in the workforce at various positions is every bit if not more important than finishing a college degree.
Two years ago as a recruiter I could see the writing on the wall. Companies weren’t hiring rather laying people off and when they were hiring, they sure weren’t interested in paying the fees as they previously had. I had to make a choice.
I choose getting my MBA in social media. I read, studied, reviewed, and watched more content than the average person dabbling in the new phenomenon. Some laughed, thought I was crazy but I wasn’t going to be deterred.
Two years later, I have expanded my role at The Sales Matrix to become their recruiting and digital communications manager. I also started my own consulting practice working with several clients across many industries. The most exciting of which was being a part of the NFL/Ticketmaster social media campaign for this past Super Bowl.
Within the next couple of months I will be launching a new sales and marketing e-learning company with a handful of other guys which I’m super excited about. I’ve been a part of a business roundtable podcast series and have been happier in my career than ever.
If it weren’t for guys like you, Chris Brogan, Seth Godin, Gary Vaynerchuk, and so many others I wouldn’t be where I am today. The many tips, lessons, and great content you all have shared has been very influential to me.
.-= David Benjamin´s last blog ..Step by Step or Seat of the Pants? =-.
I’m so glad you shared your experiences too, Dave. I’ve enjoyed watching your career shift and change over the last couple of years, and know you work very hard at what you do. Thanks for the support and encouragement.
Amber,
So glad you wrote this, for all those that find excuses instead of answers. Your lack of a degree was not going to stop you from reaching goals you set out for. You demonstrate that learned experiences in the workforce at various positions is every bit if not more important than finishing a college degree.
Two years ago as a recruiter I could see the writing on the wall. Companies weren’t hiring rather laying people off and when they were hiring, they sure weren’t interested in paying the fees as they previously had. I had to make a choice.
I choose getting my MBA in social media. I read, studied, reviewed, and watched more content than the average person dabbling in the new phenomenon. Some laughed, thought I was crazy but I wasn’t going to be deterred.
Two years later, I have expanded my role at The Sales Matrix to become their recruiting and digital communications manager. I also started my own consulting practice working with several clients across many industries. The most exciting of which was being a part of the NFL/Ticketmaster social media campaign for this past Super Bowl.
Within the next couple of months I will be launching a new sales and marketing e-learning company with a handful of other guys which I’m super excited about. I’ve been a part of a business roundtable podcast series and have been happier in my career than ever.
If it weren’t for guys like you, Chris Brogan, Seth Godin, Gary Vaynerchuk, and so many others I wouldn’t be where I am today. The many tips, lessons, and great content you all have shared has been very influential to me.
.-= David Benjamin´s last blog ..Step by Step or Seat of the Pants? =-.
I’m so glad you shared your experiences too, Dave. I’ve enjoyed watching your career shift and change over the last couple of years, and know you work very hard at what you do. Thanks for the support and encouragement.
Amber, Thanks for sharing this. I am very touched. I think
we all have something that we feel insecure about
even if we are very successful in our careers.
It took a lot of courage to write this post. Congrats!
Thanks, Betsy. It’s not so much courage anymore, as I’ve very much come to terms with this. But I was hopeful that some others could take some encouragement from my unconventional path, and I’m really amazed at the outpouring on this post. Fascinating and encouraging. 🙂
Amber, Thanks for sharing this. I am very touched. I think
we all have something that we feel insecure about
even if we are very successful in our careers.
It took a lot of courage to write this post. Congrats!
Thanks, Betsy. It’s not so much courage anymore, as I’ve very much come to terms with this. But I was hopeful that some others could take some encouragement from my unconventional path, and I’m really amazed at the outpouring on this post. Fascinating and encouraging. 🙂
I do have a degree in broadcasting and film. Did I ever become a filmmaker? No. But what I did learn is how to communicate and write well, how to translate ideas into something tangible and appealing to an audience. My path has been a winding one. I’ve ended up out on my own for many years as an entrepreneur starting several different businesses of my own, mostly small, and one pretty big. I like to think of my entrepreneurial experience as my honorary MBA. I earned that one, trust me! I’m so much smarter now than I was when I started my first business. It’s that hands on, thinking on your toes in the trenches kind of learning that just can’t happen in a classroom or from a book.
.-= Cheryl Andonian´s last blog ..The Cashier At Walgreens Is My Consultant =-.
The in-the-trenches thing is just it, though I’d say that is necessary whether you complete your degree or not. There’s just no substitute for learning with your feet on the ground. And very cool that you took some tangible things about communication away from your film and broadcasting education. Those soft skills are present in lots of fields, and so very critical in the “Real” world.
I would have to say my degree has substantially helped me in finding some client work. Although I am still in school, I do consult with some companies and individuals outside of school.
My degree is actually focused basically on social media (social informatics to be exact) in Information Sciences & Technology with an emphasis on People, Society, and Organizations. Penn State has a new school built for the type of revolution we are experiencing and I am just lucky enough to be in the program. Quite a few other iSchools have popped up all over the United States in response to the need to build leaders in technology, not just computer sciences or computer engineering people, but actual business minded tech people.
The computer science and computer engineering people build the hardware and software and the program I am in (College of Information Sciences and Technology at Penn State) is to bridge the gap between builder and consumer. We are meant to understand how this technology will impact people, society, and organizations. It is rather quite interesting.
.-= Tanner @ Life Destiny´s last blog ..How the Digital Divide Works =-.
Tanner, I’m definitely going to be interested in watching how the education system changes and responds to emerging technologies and new attitudes about learning. It’s a slow moving system, I’ve found, but there are bright and innovative people in higher Ed that are really doing some great things. I’m hopeful we can make education in the future more tangible and relevant and less, well, academic. 🙂
I do have a degree in broadcasting and film. Did I ever become a filmmaker? No. But what I did learn is how to communicate and write well, how to translate ideas into something tangible and appealing to an audience. My path has been a winding one. I’ve ended up out on my own for many years as an entrepreneur starting several different businesses of my own, mostly small, and one pretty big. I like to think of my entrepreneurial experience as my honorary MBA. I earned that one, trust me! I’m so much smarter now than I was when I started my first business. It’s that hands on, thinking on your toes in the trenches kind of learning that just can’t happen in a classroom or from a book.
.-= Cheryl Andonian´s last blog ..The Cashier At Walgreens Is My Consultant =-.
The in-the-trenches thing is just it, though I’d say that is necessary whether you complete your degree or not. There’s just no substitute for learning with your feet on the ground. And very cool that you took some tangible things about communication away from your film and broadcasting education. Those soft skills are present in lots of fields, and so very critical in the “Real” world.
I would have to say my degree has substantially helped me in finding some client work. Although I am still in school, I do consult with some companies and individuals outside of school.
My degree is actually focused basically on social media (social informatics to be exact) in Information Sciences & Technology with an emphasis on People, Society, and Organizations. Penn State has a new school built for the type of revolution we are experiencing and I am just lucky enough to be in the program. Quite a few other iSchools have popped up all over the United States in response to the need to build leaders in technology, not just computer sciences or computer engineering people, but actual business minded tech people.
The computer science and computer engineering people build the hardware and software and the program I am in (College of Information Sciences and Technology at Penn State) is to bridge the gap between builder and consumer. We are meant to understand how this technology will impact people, society, and organizations. It is rather quite interesting.
.-= Tanner @ Life Destiny´s last blog ..How the Digital Divide Works =-.
Tanner, I’m definitely going to be interested in watching how the education system changes and responds to emerging technologies and new attitudes about learning. It’s a slow moving system, I’ve found, but there are bright and innovative people in higher Ed that are really doing some great things. I’m hopeful we can make education in the future more tangible and relevant and less, well, academic. 🙂
Thanks for opening up–we share a music geek past! Except I went on to get a master’s degree in arts administration that didn’t serve me very well in my professional life–ironically enough, in the non-profit arts world, where I spent almost ten years! I then managed to get two agency communications jobs–including one starting a communications pratice–without a drop of previous agency experience and eventually parlayed that into my own business.
I’ve never taken a marketing, communications or public relations class in my life (but I’ve taught one!). I do think my liberal arts degree (political science) was useful, but I was lucky enough to have most of it paid for via scholarships. I hate that college is becoming so cost prohibitive and agree that employers need to be open to accepting people with drive and a track record of accomplishments.
Another salient point you’ve articulated here is that life is what you make of it. If you work hard and get results, it really doesn’t matter what your major was, whether or not you have a degree or what your prior experience is. I’ve managed to cobble my very random, non-linear career path into something I love, mostly because I always followed my heart.
Congrats to you–you’ve earned all of your success!
Helloooo fellow music nerd. 🙂 We’re all over the place, lurking…
Always glad to find another non-conformist that carved their own path. I love it. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Thanks for opening up–we share a music geek past! Except I went on to get a master’s degree in arts administration that didn’t serve me very well in my professional life–ironically enough, in the non-profit arts world, where I spent almost ten years! I then managed to get two agency communications jobs–including one starting a communications pratice–without a drop of previous agency experience and eventually parlayed that into my own business.
I’ve never taken a marketing, communications or public relations class in my life (but I’ve taught one!). I do think my liberal arts degree (political science) was useful, but I was lucky enough to have most of it paid for via scholarships. I hate that college is becoming so cost prohibitive and agree that employers need to be open to accepting people with drive and a track record of accomplishments.
Another salient point you’ve articulated here is that life is what you make of it. If you work hard and get results, it really doesn’t matter what your major was, whether or not you have a degree or what your prior experience is. I’ve managed to cobble my very random, non-linear career path into something I love, mostly because I always followed my heart.
Congrats to you–you’ve earned all of your success!
Helloooo fellow music nerd. 🙂 We’re all over the place, lurking…
Always glad to find another non-conformist that carved their own path. I love it. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Amber congratulations on a few counts. Primarily for having the confidence to open up to the community in such an open and honest way and secondly for persevering and becoming successful in what you’ve wanted to achieve. Good for you!
Thanks, Cheryl. We learn from others, so I love being able to encourage those that don’t think they “fit the mold”. I sure as heck don’t. 🙂
Amber congratulations on a few counts. Primarily for having the confidence to open up to the community in such an open and honest way and secondly for persevering and becoming successful in what you’ve wanted to achieve. Good for you!
Thanks, Cheryl. We learn from others, so I love being able to encourage those that don’t think they “fit the mold”. I sure as heck don’t. 🙂
I think a college education is great and it’s certainly something I want for my two kids. Statistics show that generally college graduates make more money and get better jobs.
However, all of that being said, it’s not the only way. I don’t have a degree and at this point I wouldn’t trade my 13 years of real world experience for one. Sometimes the focus is on earning a piece of paper and not on learning.
For me it’s all about continuing to learn. I’m shocked by the number of business people I meet, college graduates even, that haven’t read a book since graduating…or have read very few. They have basically allowed people like me to pass them up in the market place because my marketing knowledge is more relevant.
College degree or not, what have you learned lately? That’s what I think matters.
That’s a good point, Luke. Do you think we tend to rest on our formal education laurels to an extent, and not feel we have to put in any other learning effort once we get the degree? I’d be curious on other people’s take on that one too.
I think a college education is great and it’s certainly something I want for my two kids. Statistics show that generally college graduates make more money and get better jobs.
However, all of that being said, it’s not the only way. I don’t have a degree and at this point I wouldn’t trade my 13 years of real world experience for one. Sometimes the focus is on earning a piece of paper and not on learning.
For me it’s all about continuing to learn. I’m shocked by the number of business people I meet, college graduates even, that haven’t read a book since graduating…or have read very few. They have basically allowed people like me to pass them up in the market place because my marketing knowledge is more relevant.
College degree or not, what have you learned lately? That’s what I think matters.
That’s a good point, Luke. Do you think we tend to rest on our formal education laurels to an extent, and not feel we have to put in any other learning effort once we get the degree? I’d be curious on other people’s take on that one too.
Love your blog, read your posts religiously, but first time commenter. I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing this post. I too do not have a college degree, I started and never finished because I had a part time job in an office that had me quickly following in love with the corporate world. I eventually dropped out and never looked back. I have been very, very successful and yet I wait for “that day” when not having a degree is going to prevent me from something. It is very brave to post about this and I am thrilled that you did. I was at SOBCon last year, will be there this year and look forward to meeting you.
Andi – So glad you spoke up. 🙂 Nice to see you here. Looking forward to seeing you in May at SobCon. Please say hello, and thank you for sharing your similar experience!
Love your blog, read your posts religiously, but first time commenter. I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing this post. I too do not have a college degree, I started and never finished because I had a part time job in an office that had me quickly following in love with the corporate world. I eventually dropped out and never looked back. I have been very, very successful and yet I wait for “that day” when not having a degree is going to prevent me from something. It is very brave to post about this and I am thrilled that you did. I was at SOBCon last year, will be there this year and look forward to meeting you.
Andi – So glad you spoke up. 🙂 Nice to see you here. Looking forward to seeing you in May at SobCon. Please say hello, and thank you for sharing your similar experience!
I could totally tell you didn’t have a degree the first time I met you… I’m kidding, of course :)Great post. Looking forward to catching up at SXSWi.
.-= Shawn Morton´s last blog ..The World’s Greatest PSAs in the World! =-.
Yeah, I’m totally unrefined. Can’t wait to see you! 🙂
I could totally tell you didn’t have a degree the first time I met you… I’m kidding, of course :)Great post. Looking forward to catching up at SXSWi.
.-= Shawn Morton´s last blog ..The World’s Greatest PSAs in the World! =-.
Yeah, I’m totally unrefined. Can’t wait to see you! 🙂
Thank you for this.
I did finally graduate after ten years for a Bachelor of Science degree in Communications Technology. Needless to say the degree is more graphic design than communication. Have I used it? No. But I have learned more about business in the past year than I ever have if I had gone back to school for a degree in Communications.
I admire your gumption to go into the company and just ask for the job. You need to have a plan when you are trying to do what you are passionate about.
.-= Jamie Favreau´s last blog ..Help a PR Pro out (#HAPPO): Candidate Detroit =-.
Sometimes, you just have to say What the Heck? (to loosely and more politely quote Risky Business) and take a chance. The biggest chances I’ve taken in my life have often led to the biggest lessons, and sometimes even rewards. 🙂
Thank you for this.
I did finally graduate after ten years for a Bachelor of Science degree in Communications Technology. Needless to say the degree is more graphic design than communication. Have I used it? No. But I have learned more about business in the past year than I ever have if I had gone back to school for a degree in Communications.
I admire your gumption to go into the company and just ask for the job. You need to have a plan when you are trying to do what you are passionate about.
.-= Jamie Favreau´s last blog ..Help a PR Pro out (#HAPPO): Candidate Detroit =-.
Sometimes, you just have to say What the Heck? (to loosely and more politely quote Risky Business) and take a chance. The biggest chances I’ve taken in my life have often led to the biggest lessons, and sometimes even rewards. 🙂
Irony:
I am a credentialed professor at a prestigious university teaching a field of study in which I have never once even taken a course. My undergraduate and graduate degrees are in something completely and totally different.
.-= Christopher S. Penn´s last blog ..The reason why your personal brand sucks =-.
Funny, that. And it’s the experience that qualified you, yes?
Irony:
I am a credentialed professor at a prestigious university teaching a field of study in which I have never once even taken a course. My undergraduate and graduate degrees are in something completely and totally different.
.-= Christopher S. Penn´s last blog ..The reason why your personal brand sucks =-.
Funny, that. And it’s the experience that qualified you, yes?
This is an awesome post, Amber. I love the me-centricity (yes, I made up that word) because you’re telling a great story. It’s one that has caused me to want to share mine.
I discovered “social media” before it was social media in 1992. Because it all happened through a “computer,” I knew I wanted to do something with computers, so stupidly enough, I majored in computer science (and minored in psychology, which was a lot closer to the things I’m doing today!) I went through a few jobs in technical support, sysadmin work, and then landed as a hosting administrator at a search engine marketing firm. When hosting work ran dry, I dabbled in the SEM/SEO/SMO work and realized that this is why I fell in love with the Internet to begin with in the 90s: connecting with other people online was what I had been longing for all along!
My degree has no relationship to what I’m doing now, but I love what I’m doing all the same and am happy that it “led” me to this career path. I wouldn’t change it for anything!
Thanks for sharing your story 🙂
.-= Tamar Weinberg´s last blog ..11 Characteristics of Highly Influential Blog(ger)s =-.
Hi Tamar, I can totally relate to you. I didn’t know what I wanted to do in college too and it wasn’t a few years after I graduated that I really found my calling.
Amber, thanks for sharing this post. You may not have a degree but you’re absolutely kicking butt! 🙂
.-= David Wang´s last blog ..How to grow your Facebook Fan Page: WOW Photo gets 3000 fans in 2 months =-.
Tamar, I’m so glad you shared. Another example of the winding path of serendipity mixed with passion and a few doses of hard work to go with it. Good on you. Looking forward to catching up soon. 🙂
This is an awesome post, Amber. I love the me-centricity (yes, I made up that word) because you’re telling a great story. It’s one that has caused me to want to share mine.
I discovered “social media” before it was social media in 1992. Because it all happened through a “computer,” I knew I wanted to do something with computers, so stupidly enough, I majored in computer science (and minored in psychology, which was a lot closer to the things I’m doing today!) I went through a few jobs in technical support, sysadmin work, and then landed as a hosting administrator at a search engine marketing firm. When hosting work ran dry, I dabbled in the SEM/SEO/SMO work and realized that this is why I fell in love with the Internet to begin with in the 90s: connecting with other people online was what I had been longing for all along!
My degree has no relationship to what I’m doing now, but I love what I’m doing all the same and am happy that it “led” me to this career path. I wouldn’t change it for anything!
Thanks for sharing your story 🙂
.-= Tamar Weinberg´s last blog ..11 Characteristics of Highly Influential Blog(ger)s =-.
Hi Tamar, I can totally relate to you. I didn’t know what I wanted to do in college too and it wasn’t a few years after I graduated that I really found my calling.
Amber, thanks for sharing this post. You may not have a degree but you’re absolutely kicking butt! 🙂
.-= David Wang´s last blog ..How to grow your Facebook Fan Page: WOW Photo gets 3000 fans in 2 months =-.
Tamar, I’m so glad you shared. Another example of the winding path of serendipity mixed with passion and a few doses of hard work to go with it. Good on you. Looking forward to catching up soon. 🙂
Amber:
In a world filled with “societal pressures” such as having a college degree, getting married, having children, etc. it’s refreshing to meet people who stay true to themselves like you (believe me I understand it’s not easy but does get easier as you get older; I promise). No matter what, people will always ask things like where you went to college, what your background is, and more personal questions. You can’t avoid that. What you can do is never let anyone compromise who you are. We’ve all fallen victim to that from time to time wondering if we are smart enough, nice enough, and more. With time we not only get to know the types of people who aren’t healthy for us, but more importantly we get to learn more about ourselves. It always happens through others.
When I graduated from high school (’85) I went to a one year business school to take an executive assistant course (Remember Working Girl with Melanie Griffith in the 80’s? Secretaries were in demand back then). I later was hired at a technology company by the VP of Marketing who found something different in me compared to other applicants who had marketing degrees/MBA’s. The reason I was even considered was because of the name of the one-year business school I went to, but the rest was truly selling my value.
I did go back to college to get my marketing degree because the technology company had tuition reimbursement, and I found I was really liking the world of marketing. Eight years later, I did get a degree. Has it helped me? Maybe to formalize my marketing education and resources, but my passion and drive for what I do tops that any day.
Bottom line is it depends on the individual and how bad he/she wants something. No college degree, screening process or other person can ever get in the way of that. That’s you Amber. Thanks so much for being you. Realize your writing helps others more than you will ever realize.
.-= Anna Barcelos´s last blog ..Five Confessions of an Integrated Marketing Communications Marketer =-.
Anna, thank you so much for saying that. I’m truly kind of humbled at the stories, experiences, and comments folks have shared on this post. Who knew what a nerve I’d hit?
I’m grateful that you shared your encouraging story. Yet more reasons to admire the work you do. 🙂
Amber:
In a world filled with “societal pressures” such as having a college degree, getting married, having children, etc. it’s refreshing to meet people who stay true to themselves like you (believe me I understand it’s not easy but does get easier as you get older; I promise). No matter what, people will always ask things like where you went to college, what your background is, and more personal questions. You can’t avoid that. What you can do is never let anyone compromise who you are. We’ve all fallen victim to that from time to time wondering if we are smart enough, nice enough, and more. With time we not only get to know the types of people who aren’t healthy for us, but more importantly we get to learn more about ourselves. It always happens through others.
When I graduated from high school (’85) I went to a one year business school to take an executive assistant course (Remember Working Girl with Melanie Griffith in the 80’s? Secretaries were in demand back then). I later was hired at a technology company by the VP of Marketing who found something different in me compared to other applicants who had marketing degrees/MBA’s. The reason I was even considered was because of the name of the one-year business school I went to, but the rest was truly selling my value.
I did go back to college to get my marketing degree because the technology company had tuition reimbursement, and I found I was really liking the world of marketing. Eight years later, I did get a degree. Has it helped me? Maybe to formalize my marketing education and resources, but my passion and drive for what I do tops that any day.
Bottom line is it depends on the individual and how bad he/she wants something. No college degree, screening process or other person can ever get in the way of that. That’s you Amber. Thanks so much for being you. Realize your writing helps others more than you will ever realize.
.-= Anna Barcelos´s last blog ..Five Confessions of an Integrated Marketing Communications Marketer =-.
Anna, thank you so much for saying that. I’m truly kind of humbled at the stories, experiences, and comments folks have shared on this post. Who knew what a nerve I’d hit?
I’m grateful that you shared your encouraging story. Yet more reasons to admire the work you do. 🙂
Amber,
What a fantastic post! I’m in the same boat as you. I didn’t finish my degree, not for financial reasons but husband and kids…oops guess that is financial:)
It does take some work at first to overcome, but after awhile your degree becomes irrelevant. Especially if you have the work history to back it up. As a business owner now, I can tell you that an applicant’s work experience and attitude towards putting in the work necessary to complete a project are much more important to me than a degree.
Thank you for putting this so eloquently and I hope others take note of your most important line “I overcame the lack of a degree with hard work.” That trait seems to be missing in many nowadays.
Jenn
What’s great is that I think your hiring mindset is probably much more open and curious as a result of your nontraditional background. Which is awesome. Keep that up! The business world needs more like you.
Amber,
What a fantastic post! I’m in the same boat as you. I didn’t finish my degree, not for financial reasons but husband and kids…oops guess that is financial:)
It does take some work at first to overcome, but after awhile your degree becomes irrelevant. Especially if you have the work history to back it up. As a business owner now, I can tell you that an applicant’s work experience and attitude towards putting in the work necessary to complete a project are much more important to me than a degree.
Thank you for putting this so eloquently and I hope others take note of your most important line “I overcame the lack of a degree with hard work.” That trait seems to be missing in many nowadays.
Jenn
What’s great is that I think your hiring mindset is probably much more open and curious as a result of your nontraditional background. Which is awesome. Keep that up! The business world needs more like you.
I feel like showing this post to every highschooler in the country, but their parents would probably kill me. There’s so much emphasis on getting that degree these days. Many are being pushed into degrees for “safe” careers instead of figuring out what they actually want.
.-= Pete´s last blog ..Learning To Play Music Is Good For Discipline =-.
Yeah, and I’m not trying to say that kids shouldn’t pursue an education. But I think learning takes on many forms, and I know from my experience what I “Wanted to Do” emerged over several years and many, many experiences, not a major I picked when I was right out of high school.
I feel like showing this post to every highschooler in the country, but their parents would probably kill me. There’s so much emphasis on getting that degree these days. Many are being pushed into degrees for “safe” careers instead of figuring out what they actually want.
.-= Pete´s last blog ..Learning To Play Music Is Good For Discipline =-.
Yeah, and I’m not trying to say that kids shouldn’t pursue an education. But I think learning takes on many forms, and I know from my experience what I “Wanted to Do” emerged over several years and many, many experiences, not a major I picked when I was right out of high school.
I feel the need to interject here…although I commend Amber for finding her way and succeeding without a college degree, to dismiss a college degree as simply “a piece of paper” is not quite accurate. There is a lot to be learned in college if your goal is to learn. If your goal is to simply get a piece of paper then following another route might be a good idea. I learned a lot in college AND learned a lot in the field. I would caution not to encourage kids to forget about college and go the route of the school of life. The reality for most people is that there are many more opportunities that will be open to them if they go to college. Some will be like Amber and succeed without college, but unless they have the natural smarts and drive and perception on their own without honing it in college, life will be a more difficult path…
Just my two cents.
That’s fair Cheryl, though I don’t think I dismissed a degree (maybe others did). There’s lots to be learned in school, and I did. The point is that college isn’t the only way to learn things, and while yes the conventional approach and wisdom makes the path more challenging for those who choose alternatives, there ARE alternatives. And college doesn’t make up for the LACK of natural smarts and drive, either. Just because you get a degree doesn’t mean you won’t need those things after you leave school.
I feel the need to interject here…although I commend Amber for finding her way and succeeding without a college degree, to dismiss a college degree as simply “a piece of paper” is not quite accurate. There is a lot to be learned in college if your goal is to learn. If your goal is to simply get a piece of paper then following another route might be a good idea. I learned a lot in college AND learned a lot in the field. I would caution not to encourage kids to forget about college and go the route of the school of life. The reality for most people is that there are many more opportunities that will be open to them if they go to college. Some will be like Amber and succeed without college, but unless they have the natural smarts and drive and perception on their own without honing it in college, life will be a more difficult path…
Just my two cents.
That’s fair Cheryl, though I don’t think I dismissed a degree (maybe others did). There’s lots to be learned in school, and I did. The point is that college isn’t the only way to learn things, and while yes the conventional approach and wisdom makes the path more challenging for those who choose alternatives, there ARE alternatives. And college doesn’t make up for the LACK of natural smarts and drive, either. Just because you get a degree doesn’t mean you won’t need those things after you leave school.
Cheryl —
I have to fight back a little bit. Not a bunch, because I do believe in the power of higher education, but…
My mother is a junior high school teacher and works with more than a few kids who will never have the book smarts or family support to even consider college. This isn’t just hypothesis, this is fact. It’s not a feasible option for them, and they hate school because there aren’t other options to make them feel like they’ve got a way to succeed. In our educational system, you to go school to get to college, that’s it. We put no emphasis on trade or vocational schools, on following your passions even if they’re not academically inclined, and that leaves kids without the chops for college feeling like societal rejects and failures. I’ve seen it in my mom’s students, and it’s heartbreaking.
I’m so glad to have had the opportunity to go to college and earn my degree, but I love that there’s a discussion like this happening to show kids these days that aspirations to walk outside the borders of the traditional academic college path are fantastic and should be pursued. At least those aspirations and goals are things they can feel positive about and actually push toward.
Just had to put that out there.
.-= Teresa Basich´s last blog ..Shut Up With Your “I Don’t Read Long Blog Posts” Crap =-.
what you said. 🙂
Cheryl —
I have to fight back a little bit. Not a bunch, because I do believe in the power of higher education, but…
My mother is a junior high school teacher and works with more than a few kids who will never have the book smarts or family support to even consider college. This isn’t just hypothesis, this is fact. It’s not a feasible option for them, and they hate school because there aren’t other options to make them feel like they’ve got a way to succeed. In our educational system, you to go school to get to college, that’s it. We put no emphasis on trade or vocational schools, on following your passions even if they’re not academically inclined, and that leaves kids without the chops for college feeling like societal rejects and failures. I’ve seen it in my mom’s students, and it’s heartbreaking.
I’m so glad to have had the opportunity to go to college and earn my degree, but I love that there’s a discussion like this happening to show kids these days that aspirations to walk outside the borders of the traditional academic college path are fantastic and should be pursued. At least those aspirations and goals are things they can feel positive about and actually push toward.
Just had to put that out there.
.-= Teresa Basich´s last blog ..Shut Up With Your “I Don’t Read Long Blog Posts” Crap =-.
what you said. 🙂
Amber
My story is quite different from yours however we share the same love of learning and I would be a student forever if I could. I do also love to learn and through clients and the SM community I almost feel like I am still in school everyday. I have a bachelors in criminal justice which holds a minor in sociology however when I started college, I was business admin. So on that degree, I am 18 credits or something in the degree of business admin. My second run at a bachelors was in marketing. So, add this all up I have 2 bachelors degrees, almost a 3rd and a minor in sociology. Fabulous. Really? Applying for jobs was a nightmare to explain it all. To further complicate or in my mind to level it all out, I was ready to pull the trigger on grad school but a life changing wonderful “surprise” changed that 5 yrs ago. As a single mom, I am thrilled to get to start school over with teaching son things everyday.
You worked really hard, harder than I did as I had the piece of paper(s) and I did not have to “prove” what I could do. I just showed my pretty degrees and viola, I was a superstar. In the grand scheme of things, those degrees are great to look at and mean something to employers but are not representative of the work I can do as the only work I can do is working harder than anyone else and when someone notices, work even harder.
It is more than you being an inspiration for others, it is one of the few times we can say do exactly as Amber did – work hard, learn all you can and apply it and then keep working hard.
@SuzanneVara
.-= Suzanne Vara´s last blog ..Mardi Gras: A Family Experience? =-.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Suzanne. It’s an interesting phenomenon, how we take the degree accomplishment to mean a certain level of expertise and ability, for better and for worse. I know you’re working hard, too, at all the things you believe in. Keep that up.
Amber
My story is quite different from yours however we share the same love of learning and I would be a student forever if I could. I do also love to learn and through clients and the SM community I almost feel like I am still in school everyday. I have a bachelors in criminal justice which holds a minor in sociology however when I started college, I was business admin. So on that degree, I am 18 credits or something in the degree of business admin. My second run at a bachelors was in marketing. So, add this all up I have 2 bachelors degrees, almost a 3rd and a minor in sociology. Fabulous. Really? Applying for jobs was a nightmare to explain it all. To further complicate or in my mind to level it all out, I was ready to pull the trigger on grad school but a life changing wonderful “surprise” changed that 5 yrs ago. As a single mom, I am thrilled to get to start school over with teaching son things everyday.
You worked really hard, harder than I did as I had the piece of paper(s) and I did not have to “prove” what I could do. I just showed my pretty degrees and viola, I was a superstar. In the grand scheme of things, those degrees are great to look at and mean something to employers but are not representative of the work I can do as the only work I can do is working harder than anyone else and when someone notices, work even harder.
It is more than you being an inspiration for others, it is one of the few times we can say do exactly as Amber did – work hard, learn all you can and apply it and then keep working hard.
@SuzanneVara
.-= Suzanne Vara´s last blog ..Mardi Gras: A Family Experience? =-.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Suzanne. It’s an interesting phenomenon, how we take the degree accomplishment to mean a certain level of expertise and ability, for better and for worse. I know you’re working hard, too, at all the things you believe in. Keep that up.
Teresa,
I absolutely agree with you. College isn’t for everyone for a variety of reasons. Whether it’s a lack of opportunity because of money or family situations or simply no interest in going that route, everyone has a different path or motivation in life. Vocational schools, internships, apprenticeships and hard work all can lead to very successful futures, no doubt. My comment really was directed at those who say a college degree is simply a piece of paper. It hit a nerve with me personally because I didn’t go to college, get loans, apply for scholarships, live in dumpy apartments with scary roommates, and work odd jobs while doing my coursework just to get “a piece of paper.” I went to college to learn. I worked hard and sacrificed to earn my degree. That’s all I’m saying. Not trying to pick a fight at all 🙂 Just finished reading Malcolm Gladwell’s book, Outliers. Pretty interesting and relevant to this discussion regarding success and how different opportunities lead different people on the path to success. It’s not just about being smart or rich – there are a myriad of factors that play a role in an individual’s likelihood to succeed. A recommended read…
.-= Cheryl Andonian´s last blog ..The Cashier At Walgreens Is My Consultant =-.
Ah, thanks for the clarification, Cheryl. (Reading in line so caught this after I responded). No you didn’t do that all to “get a piece of paper”, but some do. And to some people, it’s just that. And would you have done all of those things in the name of learning if you weren’t able to finish? Was the experience and the knowledge still worth it without the degree at the end? I sacrificed too – for many years – and never got to the finish line. Not to say that the degree is worthless, but is my education and effort any less valid for having stopped 12 credits short?
To the business world, the answer is sometimes yes. And I think that’s a shame.
Teresa,
I absolutely agree with you. College isn’t for everyone for a variety of reasons. Whether it’s a lack of opportunity because of money or family situations or simply no interest in going that route, everyone has a different path or motivation in life. Vocational schools, internships, apprenticeships and hard work all can lead to very successful futures, no doubt. My comment really was directed at those who say a college degree is simply a piece of paper. It hit a nerve with me personally because I didn’t go to college, get loans, apply for scholarships, live in dumpy apartments with scary roommates, and work odd jobs while doing my coursework just to get “a piece of paper.” I went to college to learn. I worked hard and sacrificed to earn my degree. That’s all I’m saying. Not trying to pick a fight at all 🙂 Just finished reading Malcolm Gladwell’s book, Outliers. Pretty interesting and relevant to this discussion regarding success and how different opportunities lead different people on the path to success. It’s not just about being smart or rich – there are a myriad of factors that play a role in an individual’s likelihood to succeed. A recommended read…
.-= Cheryl Andonian´s last blog ..The Cashier At Walgreens Is My Consultant =-.
Ah, thanks for the clarification, Cheryl. (Reading in line so caught this after I responded). No you didn’t do that all to “get a piece of paper”, but some do. And to some people, it’s just that. And would you have done all of those things in the name of learning if you weren’t able to finish? Was the experience and the knowledge still worth it without the degree at the end? I sacrificed too – for many years – and never got to the finish line. Not to say that the degree is worthless, but is my education and effort any less valid for having stopped 12 credits short?
To the business world, the answer is sometimes yes. And I think that’s a shame.
Very Inspiring post Amber. I find myself in a sort of similar position. I got my degree in Business last year, it was focused on international business and commerce. I had some work in Marketing and lot’s on strategy, but for sure none in communications or customer service. As you I’ve always defied convention so as a very geeky person I loved the web 2.0 and all the improvements that made it a more social experience and decided I wanted to focus my career on the internet while I was in my 3rd university year. Too late to change my major, but early enough to learn on my own (it always is) and I’m learning a lot by reading, working and executing. I took my consultancy firm and changed it to fit what I wanted, we struggled a lot to make it work, it barely did (financially). And finally I’ve just took a job as a community manager where my biggest challenge is to evangelize of the importance of social in business. It’s a very junior position, making less than 10,000 dollars a year and for me they have not the best approach to social, but i get to execute and do what I love and evangelize for them to learn how to do it.
I figure out the experience I will get from this job will be priceless as are the teachings I get from people who share their experiences offline and online (like you do here and that’s something I’ll be forever thankful for).
So degrees doesn’t matter, what matters is wanting it so much you learn how to do it and do it in a great way.
.-= Jorge´s last blog ..Freemium for education =-.
Degrees CAN matter, but they’re not the end all be all. I’m really glad you’ve landed in a role you can really sink your teeth into. Looking forward to seeing and hearing your adventures along the way.
Well in fact Degrees can matter, my point was that if you’re passionate about what you study then your degree is cool because you wanted to learn. But getting a Degree in something you’re not passionate about just for the sake of getting a degree is useless, it’ll be much better to learn from other sources (as valid an academic as college) something that you love.
Finally this shows that with a degree or not what matters is passion and not the degree. If you decide to educate yourself formally it’s fine, if you do it on your own it’s also good.
.-= Jorge´s last blog ..Make it remarkable =-.
Very Inspiring post Amber. I find myself in a sort of similar position. I got my degree in Business last year, it was focused on international business and commerce. I had some work in Marketing and lot’s on strategy, but for sure none in communications or customer service. As you I’ve always defied convention so as a very geeky person I loved the web 2.0 and all the improvements that made it a more social experience and decided I wanted to focus my career on the internet while I was in my 3rd university year. Too late to change my major, but early enough to learn on my own (it always is) and I’m learning a lot by reading, working and executing. I took my consultancy firm and changed it to fit what I wanted, we struggled a lot to make it work, it barely did (financially). And finally I’ve just took a job as a community manager where my biggest challenge is to evangelize of the importance of social in business. It’s a very junior position, making less than 10,000 dollars a year and for me they have not the best approach to social, but i get to execute and do what I love and evangelize for them to learn how to do it.
I figure out the experience I will get from this job will be priceless as are the teachings I get from people who share their experiences offline and online (like you do here and that’s something I’ll be forever thankful for).
So degrees doesn’t matter, what matters is wanting it so much you learn how to do it and do it in a great way.
.-= Jorge´s last blog ..Freemium for education =-.
Degrees CAN matter, but they’re not the end all be all. I’m really glad you’ve landed in a role you can really sink your teeth into. Looking forward to seeing and hearing your adventures along the way.
Well in fact Degrees can matter, my point was that if you’re passionate about what you study then your degree is cool because you wanted to learn. But getting a Degree in something you’re not passionate about just for the sake of getting a degree is useless, it’ll be much better to learn from other sources (as valid an academic as college) something that you love.
Finally this shows that with a degree or not what matters is passion and not the degree. If you decide to educate yourself formally it’s fine, if you do it on your own it’s also good.
.-= Jorge´s last blog ..Make it remarkable =-.
I love this post! As a parent with a kid going into high school and college looming in the near future, I have been thinking a lot about the worth of a college degree. I was lucky–my parents paid for me to get my degree–but that was also back in the days before college cost a fortune. I majored in English and spent 4 years writing poetry and short stories–which was fun, but not exactly a job skill. I graduated in 1990, which was a crappy job market, so had to take the only job I could get at that time–a secretarial position. From there I worked my way up and around, but I can say with confidence that college had absolutely nothing to do with my career path.
My thing now is that I keep reading how Gen-Y is the most over-educated yet under-employed, and I’m having trouble understanding whether it’s going to be worth it financially to take on a ton of debt to help put my kids through college. I feel like a college education is such a given in this country, yet the number of people who actually use anything they learn in college–well, debatable. The way I learned what kind of career I wanted was by working, not by spending 4 years of taking classes that were fun at the time but had nothing to do with the real world.
I’m thinking that too Maggie. My daughter is three, and I keep wondering how I’ll treat that choice for her, knowing what I know. I want to give her every opportunity, but not stifle her by shoving her in a predetermined box. My folks didn’t insist on any one thing for me, so I’m hopeful my head and heart will guide me, along with her dreams and passions.
Amber, great post! I agree that a college degree is not a golden ticket to the perfect job. I really do. However, as someone with both a BA in Communications and a Masters in Integrated Marketing Communications, its not easy for us either. I didn’t go to school to find the perfect job. I am honestly, a constant learner. In both education and “grin and bear it” hard work. I participated in four different internships in college (all unpaid) while working at a large technology company. After undergrad I worked in higher education and healthcare communication departments. All full-time, while working on my master’s. Then last year I moved halfway across the country with my significant other for his job. And yet, after a year and a half I have not been able to find a David and Marcel. So you are incredibly lucky, as I’m sure you know. I can’t help to be a bit bitter at those in the industry, especially marketing, who actually look down on those of us with an education. Not alluding that you are, however, I find it a lot in this industry. And I find it really disheartening. While many can learn a lot just plain working in the industry. I still think there is something to be said for those who have an education, as well.
.-= Jessica´s last blog ..GlassHalfFullPR: RT @unmarketing: I know he’s Canadian, but if Justin Bieber performs at the closing ceremonies, I’m gonna lose it #van2010 (Haha, agreed!) =-.
Jessica – Remember something: I DID go to school. For over five years. I worked my tail off, worked several jobs to stay in school, and learned as much as I could. It wasn’t easy, not at all. And it broke my heart when I couldn’t continue. I commend anyone that works hard to earn an education that’s important to them.
Education is valuable. It’s just not the ONLY thing. And I see so many people like me that couldn’t finish, for whatever reason and circumstance, and feel lesser-than (so that attitude of looking down on people cuts both ways, trust me). They don’t pursue some things because they think they’re not qualified, or not worthy. And THAT is the mold I’m trying to shatter. Education is great, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I don’t wear my lack of a degree as some sort of badge that education is worthless, but rather hope that it can illustrate that those without the opportunity to do as you did still have hope for their future, too.
I wasn’t trying to make a personal attack. I don’t think a degree is needed to be successful at all. You are fabulous testament to that. Does it suck that financially you didn’t finish? Yes it does. Obviously though you didn’t need to, to be successful and not everyone does.
I’ve read a good majority of the comments in this post. It’s definitely got people talking, that’s for sure. But I felt the need to speak up for those who have one and are proud.
Amber, great post! I agree that a college degree is not a golden ticket to the perfect job. I really do. However, as someone with both a BA in Communications and a Masters in Integrated Marketing Communications, its not easy for us either. I didn’t go to school to find the perfect job. I am honestly, a constant learner. In both education and “grin and bear it” hard work. I participated in four different internships in college (all unpaid) while working at a large technology company. After undergrad I worked in higher education and healthcare communication departments. All full-time, while working on my master’s. Then last year I moved halfway across the country with my significant other for his job. And yet, after a year and a half I have not been able to find a David and Marcel. So you are incredibly lucky, as I’m sure you know. I can’t help to be a bit bitter at those in the industry, especially marketing, who actually look down on those of us with an education. Not alluding that you are, however, I find it a lot in this industry. And I find it really disheartening. While many can learn a lot just plain working in the industry. I still think there is something to be said for those who have an education, as well.
.-= Jessica´s last blog ..GlassHalfFullPR: RT @unmarketing: I know he’s Canadian, but if Justin Bieber performs at the closing ceremonies, I’m gonna lose it #van2010 (Haha, agreed!) =-.
Jessica – Remember something: I DID go to school. For over five years. I worked my tail off, worked several jobs to stay in school, and learned as much as I could. It wasn’t easy, not at all. And it broke my heart when I couldn’t continue. I commend anyone that works hard to earn an education that’s important to them.
Education is valuable. It’s just not the ONLY thing. And I see so many people like me that couldn’t finish, for whatever reason and circumstance, and feel lesser-than (so that attitude of looking down on people cuts both ways, trust me). They don’t pursue some things because they think they’re not qualified, or not worthy. And THAT is the mold I’m trying to shatter. Education is great, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
I don’t wear my lack of a degree as some sort of badge that education is worthless, but rather hope that it can illustrate that those without the opportunity to do as you did still have hope for their future, too.
I wasn’t trying to make a personal attack. I don’t think a degree is needed to be successful at all. You are fabulous testament to that. Does it suck that financially you didn’t finish? Yes it does. Obviously though you didn’t need to, to be successful and not everyone does.
I’ve read a good majority of the comments in this post. It’s definitely got people talking, that’s for sure. But I felt the need to speak up for those who have one and are proud.
Very happy to read this post. I’ve taken a similar path, and I think I’m all the better for it. When I was of college age, I studied journalism, writing, and media studies. And even though I never completed a degree, those disciplines are an integral part of my career because they’ve always been passions. Funny enough, the audience that I now connect with as part of my job, hold the roles that I could have had if I had finished a degree. And considering the state of some things in traditional media, that scares me a little. I know so many great people who relied too much on their piece of paper, instead of keeping their finger on the pulse of their industry. Over the past twelve years or so, I’ve given myself an education I don’t think I could have gotten in a traditional institution (ironically though, I’ve worked at two colleges as a professional).
My experience has made me a heretic as well (in a good way), and a loather of complacency. Often I need to curb my anger because I expect people to strive to be as informed and educated as I try to be. I’ve worked with really smart people, those who have college degrees, and those who don’t. I’ve also worked with those with high degrees in various disciplines that can’t rub two sticks together in the real world.
One of the best rewards to come out of my experience is that I’ve become more of a teacher than I’d ever thought possible. Knowledge is a powerful currency, no matter where it is attained.
Seamus, some similar comments above about complacency. It’s interesting, and something I’ll have to watch for. I hadn’t paid much attention before. And good for you for teaching and sharing what you’ve learned. That’s paying it forward, in the best way.
Very happy to read this post. I’ve taken a similar path, and I think I’m all the better for it. When I was of college age, I studied journalism, writing, and media studies. And even though I never completed a degree, those disciplines are an integral part of my career because they’ve always been passions. Funny enough, the audience that I now connect with as part of my job, hold the roles that I could have had if I had finished a degree. And considering the state of some things in traditional media, that scares me a little. I know so many great people who relied too much on their piece of paper, instead of keeping their finger on the pulse of their industry. Over the past twelve years or so, I’ve given myself an education I don’t think I could have gotten in a traditional institution (ironically though, I’ve worked at two colleges as a professional).
My experience has made me a heretic as well (in a good way), and a loather of complacency. Often I need to curb my anger because I expect people to strive to be as informed and educated as I try to be. I’ve worked with really smart people, those who have college degrees, and those who don’t. I’ve also worked with those with high degrees in various disciplines that can’t rub two sticks together in the real world.
One of the best rewards to come out of my experience is that I’ve become more of a teacher than I’d ever thought possible. Knowledge is a powerful currency, no matter where it is attained.
Seamus, some similar comments above about complacency. It’s interesting, and something I’ll have to watch for. I hadn’t paid much attention before. And good for you for teaching and sharing what you’ve learned. That’s paying it forward, in the best way.
I have the same dirty little secret – and I STILL got hired by a university performing arts department to do PR. I had 20 years of newspaper experience to back me up, but mostly, what I had was the right skills and the right attitude. I taught myself web design, and I was familiar with social media. I had media contacts, and I knew a little something about arts marketing.
So now, I’m taking classes. And it’s interesting – getting a degree doesn’t seem quite as important to me now as it did when I felt bad about myself because I didn’t have one.
.-= Joni Golden´s last blog ..Very Young Girls screening to draw attention to child solicitation =-.
I have the same dirty little secret – and I STILL got hired by a university performing arts department to do PR. I had 20 years of newspaper experience to back me up, but mostly, what I had was the right skills and the right attitude. I taught myself web design, and I was familiar with social media. I had media contacts, and I knew a little something about arts marketing.
So now, I’m taking classes. And it’s interesting – getting a degree doesn’t seem quite as important to me now as it did when I felt bad about myself because I didn’t have one.
.-= Joni Golden´s last blog ..Very Young Girls screening to draw attention to child solicitation =-.
Very interesting post – I am finding more and more that the people that tend to “get” social media and what it is all about are not officially breed marketers. After 50+ years of marketers learning how to tell everyone what they should think it seems to be a hard transition. I finished school and got an accounting degree. I went on to be a CPA and then ran a finance group for a software company. But then I broke that mold and ran a startup within that company and am now doing multiple things from Bus Dev to operations to social media. The interesting thing for me is that I have the opportunity to do social media most of the time if I pushed hard enough. I really love working on social media projects and I should do what makes me happy but I am really hung up on this about not making my next career move into a VP role. The post struck close to home with me.
Yours truly –
Conflicted
(I feel like this is a Dear Abby letter?! Sorry about that)
Very interesting post – I am finding more and more that the people that tend to “get” social media and what it is all about are not officially breed marketers. After 50+ years of marketers learning how to tell everyone what they should think it seems to be a hard transition. I finished school and got an accounting degree. I went on to be a CPA and then ran a finance group for a software company. But then I broke that mold and ran a startup within that company and am now doing multiple things from Bus Dev to operations to social media. The interesting thing for me is that I have the opportunity to do social media most of the time if I pushed hard enough. I really love working on social media projects and I should do what makes me happy but I am really hung up on this about not making my next career move into a VP role. The post struck close to home with me.
Yours truly –
Conflicted
(I feel like this is a Dear Abby letter?! Sorry about that)
Big props from this corner. Thanks.
.-= Mark W Schaefer´s last blog ..New report suggests corporate blogging may be at saturation point =-.
Big props from this corner. Thanks.
.-= Mark W Schaefer´s last blog ..New report suggests corporate blogging may be at saturation point =-.
I’m thinking that too Maggie. My daughter is three, and I keep wondering how I’ll treat that choice for her, knowing what I know. I want to give her every opportunity, but not stifle her by shoving her in a predetermined box. My folks didn’t insist on any one thing for me, so I’m hopeful my head and heart will guide me, along with her dreams and passions.
Great post, Amber. I am finally 2 years from finishing my degree at 34…took longer than I wanted to go back to school, but I believe my experiences and learning were worth it. When I told my father that I wasn’t going to college after high school he told me “you’ll still go, it will just take longer” meaning that you can learn the same things in the real world you can in college, but the lessons can be harder and more personal.
Great post, Amber. I am finally 2 years from finishing my degree at 34…took longer than I wanted to go back to school, but I believe my experiences and learning were worth it. When I told my father that I wasn’t going to college after high school he told me “you’ll still go, it will just take longer” meaning that you can learn the same things in the real world you can in college, but the lessons can be harder and more personal.
You are living proof that the path we take is the right one for us. We make the opportunities we have. We make the world we live in.
Brava!
.-= Tamsen McMahon´s last blog ..Its you’re brand out their, please get it write =-.
You are living proof that the path we take is the right one for us. We make the opportunities we have. We make the world we live in.
Brava!
.-= Tamsen McMahon´s last blog ..Its you’re brand out their, please get it write =-.
Amber, thank you for writing this and giving validation to those us with degrees outside of Business/Marketing or even completed their bachelors degree and possess a non liner path.
I graduated with a degree in Political Science and History back 1991, worked in retail (on the floor and in corporate), loyalty marketing designing incentive programs and in sales. I decided a few years back to re-boot my life, went back to school for public relations just as social media started shaking things up. At the other end with a second piece of paper, I see lots of options out there and a very exciting future in the communications/marketing/PR/social media field.
The hard part is dealing with the HR filter that still has blinders on in terms of selecting talent. I’m stubborn and I will get what I want through networking and volunteering.
.-= Bill Smith´s last blog ..Podcamp Toronto 2010. =-.
Amber, thank you for writing this and giving validation to those us with degrees outside of Business/Marketing or even completed their bachelors degree and possess a non liner path.
I graduated with a degree in Political Science and History back 1991, worked in retail (on the floor and in corporate), loyalty marketing designing incentive programs and in sales. I decided a few years back to re-boot my life, went back to school for public relations just as social media started shaking things up. At the other end with a second piece of paper, I see lots of options out there and a very exciting future in the communications/marketing/PR/social media field.
The hard part is dealing with the HR filter that still has blinders on in terms of selecting talent. I’m stubborn and I will get what I want through networking and volunteering.
.-= Bill Smith´s last blog ..Podcamp Toronto 2010. =-.
Thank you so much for sharing your story Amber! I do have a few degrees actually, my last was a masters degree in counseling and while I used it for a few years, I have since decided that the “socialsphere” of the internet is where I’d rather be. I have been working in social media for over a year now and know that I can help people in this arena, but have been struggling to build my website because of exactly what you are talking about in your blog. I see and read all these wonderful blogs, like yours, and feel a bit intimidated. Yet I know as with anything in life, if it really matters then my area of study won’t really matter and I will be successful. I don’t think a degree from a college is the end all be all and actually, a lot of what I learned in college did not translate into the field. I have learned much more by actually working in the field then trying to study it. And like you, I LOVE to learn and will never stop. Thank you again, it is always nice to feel validated =-)
Thank you so much for sharing your story Amber! I do have a few degrees actually, my last was a masters degree in counseling and while I used it for a few years, I have since decided that the “socialsphere” of the internet is where I’d rather be. I have been working in social media for over a year now and know that I can help people in this arena, but have been struggling to build my website because of exactly what you are talking about in your blog. I see and read all these wonderful blogs, like yours, and feel a bit intimidated. Yet I know as with anything in life, if it really matters then my area of study won’t really matter and I will be successful. I don’t think a degree from a college is the end all be all and actually, a lot of what I learned in college did not translate into the field. I have learned much more by actually working in the field then trying to study it. And like you, I LOVE to learn and will never stop. Thank you again, it is always nice to feel validated =-)
Hi Amber:
My son sent me your column about college (above). I not only liked it, I’d like your permission to quote parts of it in my next two editions of my books, What Color Zs Your Parachute? 2012 (10 million copies sold) and The What Color Is Your Parachute Job Hunter’s Workbook (Half a million copies sold). Sorry to ask for permission in such a public way, but I couldn’t find your email addrsss.
You have my email address, now. Thanks for your writing.
Hi Amber:
My son sent me your column about college (above). I not only liked it, I’d like your permission to quote parts of it in my next two editions of my books, What Color Zs Your Parachute? 2012 (10 million copies sold) and The What Color Is Your Parachute Job Hunter’s Workbook (Half a million copies sold). Sorry to ask for permission in such a public way, but I couldn’t find your email addrsss.
You have my email address, now. Thanks for your writing.
This is something that couldn’t be more perfectly timed to read for me. I haven’t finished college and right now it is a financial thing for me. I do hope I can go back and finish and get that degree though.
I’ve been working hard to break into the “professional” side of social media and digital PR. I have had countless interviews here in Chicago that I’m absolutely positive I completely rocked and then later don’t get the job or even an internship. They love me, love what I do, love the reach I have and connections I’ve made and think everything is fantastic but still no call? I’m convinced it’s the degree thing.
It’s tough and frustrating but I’m not giving up. I know I’m good at this. And I don’t know it all but I’m so eager to learn and I’m not afraid to jump in.
Just have to keep on keepin’ on though 🙂
Hey Jamie,
I think I know how you feel. Even though I have almost five years of PR experience I have a hard time finding a position for someone without a degree. I’ve been in situations where everything fits just right and then my lack of degree comes up. It’s usually something like, “When you finish school, check back.”
Sometimes I jokingly say I’m not smart enough for scholarships, but I’m too talented to let that hold me back…
I’ve been freelancing while going to school (that’s how I have experience), but I’m entering a new phase where a full-time job would be nice even though I love working as a freelance publicist.
It’s taken me 30 minutes to figure what I wanted to say in my reply to your comment (I’ve deleted a lot). But I think this works: Good luck, Jaime. I’ll keep on keepin’ on along with you.
Z
This is something that couldn’t be more perfectly timed to read for me. I haven’t finished college and right now it is a financial thing for me. I do hope I can go back and finish and get that degree though.
I’ve been working hard to break into the “professional” side of social media and digital PR. I have had countless interviews here in Chicago that I’m absolutely positive I completely rocked and then later don’t get the job or even an internship. They love me, love what I do, love the reach I have and connections I’ve made and think everything is fantastic but still no call? I’m convinced it’s the degree thing.
It’s tough and frustrating but I’m not giving up. I know I’m good at this. And I don’t know it all but I’m so eager to learn and I’m not afraid to jump in.
Just have to keep on keepin’ on though 🙂
Hey Jamie,
I think I know how you feel. Even though I have almost five years of PR experience I have a hard time finding a position for someone without a degree. I’ve been in situations where everything fits just right and then my lack of degree comes up. It’s usually something like, “When you finish school, check back.”
Sometimes I jokingly say I’m not smart enough for scholarships, but I’m too talented to let that hold me back…
I’ve been freelancing while going to school (that’s how I have experience), but I’m entering a new phase where a full-time job would be nice even though I love working as a freelance publicist.
It’s taken me 30 minutes to figure what I wanted to say in my reply to your comment (I’ve deleted a lot). But I think this works: Good luck, Jaime. I’ll keep on keepin’ on along with you.
Z
Your story shows that a college degree does not make you automatically successful. It takes hard work and determination to do anything. If you have a college degree and you aren’t willing to work, you probably won’t get very far.
Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure it was difficult to talk about. You are an inspiration to many.
.-= Barbara´s last blog ..The Benefits of Giving Back =-.
Your story shows that a college degree does not make you automatically successful. It takes hard work and determination to do anything. If you have a college degree and you aren’t willing to work, you probably won’t get very far.
Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure it was difficult to talk about. You are an inspiration to many.
.-= Barbara´s last blog ..The Benefits of Giving Back =-.
Wow….first of all I have to say is that some of the smartest, most successful people I am surrounded by do not have a “college degree.” Then, some of the most un-purposeful people I have met are some of the most educated individuals. The ivory tower sometimes lacks direction other than self-propetuated positioning.
The one thing I try to empower my students at Clemson University is not that “piece of paper” that you get after achieving that goal, it is what you do with that knowledge to create a movement. I barely made it through my undergraduate education, directionless as a mathematics major going on to become a journalist. But I found my education in my work, becoming a human sponge learning from some of the best storytellers in the broadcast television business. It was that education that propelled me to get my masters and study academically what would shape me today. Your knowledge is powerful. Your thought leadership shapes so many futures. Would that change based on a piece of paper, or is that knowledge that you have gained through your experiences that have shaped others? Your knowledge is powerful and this open-source movement we are experiencing has helped you shape others. Take a look at how many people are reading your posts.
Bobby
.-= Bobby Rettew´s last blog ..All it takes is a thank you note! =-.
Wow….first of all I have to say is that some of the smartest, most successful people I am surrounded by do not have a “college degree.” Then, some of the most un-purposeful people I have met are some of the most educated individuals. The ivory tower sometimes lacks direction other than self-propetuated positioning.
The one thing I try to empower my students at Clemson University is not that “piece of paper” that you get after achieving that goal, it is what you do with that knowledge to create a movement. I barely made it through my undergraduate education, directionless as a mathematics major going on to become a journalist. But I found my education in my work, becoming a human sponge learning from some of the best storytellers in the broadcast television business. It was that education that propelled me to get my masters and study academically what would shape me today. Your knowledge is powerful. Your thought leadership shapes so many futures. Would that change based on a piece of paper, or is that knowledge that you have gained through your experiences that have shaped others? Your knowledge is powerful and this open-source movement we are experiencing has helped you shape others. Take a look at how many people are reading your posts.
Bobby
.-= Bobby Rettew´s last blog ..All it takes is a thank you note! =-.
Education should be deinstitutionalized anyway. http://ictlogy.net/20100129-de-institutionalizing-education/
I teach at a private college, and can attest that most students are like my peers were when I went through school. Many just want the degree to “prove” they know their field.
And for the most part, in class, folks just play casual games or read astrological charts. Normal human behavior — seeking a sense of controlled flow…
When asked about something in their field, most of the folks I went to college with just made something up. I’m sure that sounds familiar whether you went to a pubic or Ivy league university. FYI, the trick was knowing the “keywords” the teacher was looking for, and just throwing them around. I witnessed literally hundreds of now-college-degree-holders basically spam my professors and get applauded for their “studying”.
Quality work – whether with a degree or without – should be the real measure. Especially now, as information and education is becoming deinstitutionalized.
.-= Glenn Friesen´s last blog ..WordPress; Curiosity; Google, Kansas =-.
Education should be deinstitutionalized anyway. http://ictlogy.net/20100129-de-institutionalizing-education/
I teach at a private college, and can attest that most students are like my peers were when I went through school. Many just want the degree to “prove” they know their field.
And for the most part, in class, folks just play casual games or read astrological charts. Normal human behavior — seeking a sense of controlled flow…
When asked about something in their field, most of the folks I went to college with just made something up. I’m sure that sounds familiar whether you went to a pubic or Ivy league university. FYI, the trick was knowing the “keywords” the teacher was looking for, and just throwing them around. I witnessed literally hundreds of now-college-degree-holders basically spam my professors and get applauded for their “studying”.
Quality work – whether with a degree or without – should be the real measure. Especially now, as information and education is becoming deinstitutionalized.
.-= Glenn Friesen´s last blog ..WordPress; Curiosity; Google, Kansas =-.
Amber, I’ve always found you extremeley likable, and strangely enough, this post makes you even MORE likable 🙂
.-= Amadou M. Sall´s last blog ..How To Write Relentlessly Focused – and Still Say Everything You Want To | Write to Done =-.
Amber, I’ve always found you extremeley likable, and strangely enough, this post makes you even MORE likable 🙂
.-= Amadou M. Sall´s last blog ..How To Write Relentlessly Focused – and Still Say Everything You Want To | Write to Done =-.
I’m a high school dropout who eventually obtained a GED and then, after much delay, an Associate’s Degree in Computer Animation and Multimedia (read: Macromedia Director) in 1999. And now I make a living teaching other people how to do things. Go figure.
Congratulations on not buying into the limitations of the paper chase. (Which, incidentally, is a fantastic movie if you have the stomach for 1970s-era American cinema.)
.-= Justin Kownacki´s last blog ..And Now for Something Completely Meaningless… =-.
I’m a high school dropout who eventually obtained a GED and then, after much delay, an Associate’s Degree in Computer Animation and Multimedia (read: Macromedia Director) in 1999. And now I make a living teaching other people how to do things. Go figure.
Congratulations on not buying into the limitations of the paper chase. (Which, incidentally, is a fantastic movie if you have the stomach for 1970s-era American cinema.)
.-= Justin Kownacki´s last blog ..And Now for Something Completely Meaningless… =-.
There really need to be more stories like this out here. I’m a proponent of college but as someone who didn’t finish their degree for financial reasons, as well, I understand that it is not as easy to complete it as some would think. When you’re trying to figure out what you want to do and who you want to be, four years might just not be enough. If the money runs out, there’s no one coming to just award you money. Grants and scholarships are built on the 4 year model. With more and more young people being pushed out of higher education, stories from people (who aren’t Bill Gates and entertainers) help to keep the glimmer of possibility alive.
I work in a web development company, and three of the guys I work with were music majors. All are bright, talented guys and quite good with code. (One even developed his own markup language. Of course, he’s a genius, but I digress.) Personally, I was an English/history double major, but most of the stuff I “write” now would qualify as gibberish to any non-programmer (and even to some programmers, I’m sure). Career paths don’t always follow the route we mapped out while in school. On a side note, I, too, was a band geek (played tuba in HS) and married a music major who is now building a successful home business in a completely unrelated field, so I guess it just goes to show that a background in music can prepare you for a lot of things in life.
Amber.. same here. I left accounting studies for family emergency. A little different track was taking career path in an industry where you don’t need a degree (chef). I also sabbaticaled at Boston Architectural. I’ve taught myself to be a good self-learner.
Hard work – putting one foot in front of the other, day after day, can get you there.
Amber, I have both a Bachelor’s (Physics) and Master’s (Engineering) but I have found the most valuable education has been from non-formal education – the full-day or weekend seminars and workshops, and reading people like you, Steven Covey, Tony Robbins, T. Harv Ekar, Ekhart Tolle, even the Donald and biographies of the great people.
You’ll note that all the people I have mentioned have nothing whatsoever to do with my university studies or even my current job (in IT) but everything to do with “spirituality”, communications and relationships.
One thing that my “high education” has taught me, though, is how to learn under pressure, and to think in a logical way. Let’s face it, as the volume of total human knowledge continues to grow exponentially, the “stuff” we learn this year will very likely be out of date next, anyway. So the important thing is not what you know, but whether and how quickly you can learn new things as you need them.
I can totally relate. I was an elementary education major in college, but there were no teaching jobs available when I graduated. So I too did the bartending/administrative assistant thing. The AA job gave me health insurance and paid my bills; the bartending job was so I could have a little extra spending money. Both were a means to an end, but I worked hard at both as if they would actually get me somewhere better on my career path.
But I was lucky enough to know someone who worked at a market research supplier that was starting a good, old-fashioned training program. Taking people like me with no background and no skills and training them from the bottom up. How quaint, right? While I may have HATED it for the first 6 months, in the end it was the best thing that ever happened to me. And it set me on the path for where I am today.
When I switched to client side and eventually ended up at Kraft, during my initial interview I was told that only people at my level who also had their MBAs earned the salary I was requesting. My comeback, in the nicest way possible of course, was that my experience spoke for itself. While they were in school LEARNING how to do the job, I was actually DOING the job. I got the job and salary 🙂
The other thing that gave me the confidence to forge ahead without the “right” degree was watching my parents. Neither had a college degree, and while it was always a struggle, they both did so many different things to get by. My dad was a cab driver, did construction, managed warehouse logistics and sold men’s clothing; my mom was a secretary, a travel agent, sold fine jewelry and ultimately managed a cattle leasing operation. Talk about diverse careers, right? They were both the perfect of examples that you can do anything you want to do, not what people tell you you should do.
I love hearing stories like this. It’s a great reminder that who we are and what we can do as professionals doesn’t directly correlate to degrees we may or may not have. I’ve known people who are in their dream careers and don’t have what some would consider to be the proper credentials. And I’ve known others who have degrees and certificates galore, but who couldn’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight.
When looking at career paths, few things happen in a straight line – especially great things. All roads will lead to something great as long as you’re willing to work to get there.
I loved what you did, proving that, things could be achieved in life without the decorated statement, hanged over your head, on a wall or in front of you on a desk, showing to people that you are a person that deserves listening to because you have a degree.
You had a chance to have people that believed in you and backed you up, and this is the core of the
of life.