I’ve never been much of a Facebook evangelist. I know you’re out there, and I respect that, but I’ve just never seen the WHAM that makes me understand the business value of what Facebook really represents for a company.
I got a clearer picture today with the fan page for Trust Agents. (If that link doesn’t work because Facebook is dumb, go to your FB page, search for Trust Agents, and there you go.)
I tweeted that I thought this page was really well done, and many of you asked why. So, here you go.
(Oh, and as a perhaps-unnecessary-but-what-the-hell disclaimer, both Chris and Julien are what I’d consider to be good friends, and I hope they feel the same. So in case I need to disclose that I like and admire what they do to make you feel comfortable with my opinions, here you go. I’m biased. Hell, it’s my blog. Everything here is biased.)
What’s Awesome
- This page has absolutely nothing to do with buying the book. They didn’t build this as their sales channel. It’s about the principles behind the book. That gives it longevity long after the book sales have cooled off.
- Both Chris and Julien immediately and actively starting conversing with the fans on the page. Not just posting their blog posts or more ways to buy the book. It’s a dialogue, and it’s access to the authors themselves. They genuinely want to be there, talking with people.
- They’ve elevated the idea of Trust Agents into a broad discussion and spurred it on by asking questions or throwing out nuggets for others to respond to. They don’t feel compelled to be the center of the network, but rather be the catalysts.
- They’re making great use of the Discussion section to start with, and their commentary moves the discussion forward and shines the spotlight on others.
- Both Chris and Julien are posting frequently, which keeps folks interested in coming back to see what’s new. Facebook seems to work best when it’s active and lively.
What I Want To See More Of
- The “Discussion” section. I can’t wait to see more of the posts that Julien and Chris share from other people that embody the messages they’re trying to convey.
- Photos. Videos. More visual stuff.
- I want stories about real-life Trust Agents. Hell, I don’t even know what that MEANS yet since I haven’t read the book (though I think I have a good inkling). But I want notes and anecdotes of people who are embodying this idea. Why? It inspires others to see Trust Agent in different lights.
- Stuff I can take with me and share with others. Not stupid website badges, but something with substance that would help me evangelize what they’re doing outside of the page.
My Conclusion?
This whole little endeavor taught me something. Something I think will change how I look at Facebook from now on.
Part of what Chris and Julien got right – whether by happenstance or design (and I’m guessing the latter) – is that this page never, ever showed up FIRST. It wasn’t a billboard or an advertisement that was meant to initially convey an idea (or a product).
Instead, Chris and Julien did exactly what I’m imagining their book discusses. They’ve spent months (nay, years) building reputations and credibility for their work. They’ve talked generously with the community throughout the writing process, never acting as though they were hotshots with all the answers, but more like a couple of explorers on a journey. The book is an exciting evolution because we already believe in what these guys say. Because they show it, through their work, even when that work comes without pomp and circumstance.
So I’m beginning to think that Facebook is not a starting point for a brand, but a destination. A place at which to arrive after you’ve established a modicum of trust and credibility with your community elsewhere. Almost as a way to say “Hey, we know you’re out there. We’ve seen and heard you, and you’ve told us you want to talk about something bigger. Want to come hang out for a while and chat?”
I see lots of businesses starting with Facebook because it’s easy and cheap. But I’m starting to think that it’s putting the cart before the horse. It’s starting to feel to me like you need to become the Trust Agent first, before you can effectively set up an outpost like Facebook – a hangout, of sorts – that people want to frequent and come back to after the first time they sign up.
So that’s my .02 on what’s starting out to me as a great use of a Fan Page. And I’m excited to buy the book when it comes out. Have you got thoughts to share? Does their page work for you?
The greatest part of their page is the fact that not only was it not about them, but they made it clear that it’s about everyone else by allowing people to post directly on their wall. Majority of fan pages are setup so only the company/brand can post wall stories/links/etc, thus limiting interaction to only the discussion section.
The way they’ve set it up tears down the walls of communication and really brings the Trust Agents community to the forefront of the fan page and is what drives majority of the conversation and stories among members.
Kudos to Chris and Julien.
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The greatest part of their page is the fact that not only was it not about them, but they made it clear that it’s about everyone else by allowing people to post directly on their wall. Majority of fan pages are setup so only the company/brand can post wall stories/links/etc, thus limiting interaction to only the discussion section.
The way they’ve set it up tears down the walls of communication and really brings the Trust Agents community to the forefront of the fan page and is what drives majority of the conversation and stories among members.
Kudos to Chris and Julien.
Sonny Gills last blog post..#CmtyChat Kickoff
Yes, their fan page works for me – and I’ve been wondering why ever since I first saw it yesterday.
What you said first struck a chord:
“This page has absolutely nothing to do with buying the book. They didn’t build this as their sales channel. It’s about the principles behind the book.”
Yep. That’s IT. The fan page was for FANS – of the book, of the authors, of the ideas.
Great insight. Will help me work and plan my new book’s fan page too. Thanks, Amber.
All success
Dr.Mani
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Yes, their fan page works for me – and I’ve been wondering why ever since I first saw it yesterday.
What you said first struck a chord:
“This page has absolutely nothing to do with buying the book. They didn’t build this as their sales channel. It’s about the principles behind the book.”
Yep. That’s IT. The fan page was for FANS – of the book, of the authors, of the ideas.
Great insight. Will help me work and plan my new book’s fan page too. Thanks, Amber.
All success
Dr.Mani
Author: ‘Think, Write & RETIRE!’
http://www.ThinkWriteRetire.com
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I think you’ve put your finger on what makes good “conversation” in the way we use that term in social media. It isn’t usually directly about the product. That leads to something as stilted as those commercials where people say things like, “you know, I love KickStart 280 because it treats my small-bore engine right!” But many products are the culmination of a lot of thinking about an aspect of human experience. And that is a conversation that people might actually be interested in. The other interesting thing is that the sales messages are coming from the fans; the softer sell, from the authors.
If you wrote this while suffering from a migraine, you are a better person than me.
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I think you’ve put your finger on what makes good “conversation” in the way we use that term in social media. It isn’t usually directly about the product. That leads to something as stilted as those commercials where people say things like, “you know, I love KickStart 280 because it treats my small-bore engine right!” But many products are the culmination of a lot of thinking about an aspect of human experience. And that is a conversation that people might actually be interested in. The other interesting thing is that the sales messages are coming from the fans; the softer sell, from the authors.
If you wrote this while suffering from a migraine, you are a better person than me.
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No social media tool is a starting point for a brand, corporate nor personal. Actions come first, as in Brogan’s case and every other social media “success story”, from Gary Vaynerchuk to Zappos. Thinking otherwise is why there are so many “gurus” running around claiming to be experts.
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No social media tool is a starting point for a brand, corporate nor personal. Actions come first, as in Brogan’s case and every other social media “success story”, from Gary Vaynerchuk to Zappos. Thinking otherwise is why there are so many “gurus” running around claiming to be experts.
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I love the page and it’s definitely opened my eyes to the value of fb fan pages. I, much like you, didn’t really see the value beforehand. At the same token, and it’s unfortunate, but whenever Chris Brogan succeeds at something, I can’t help but wonder if it was successful because it’s just Chris Brogan and anything he does, people will engage? Or is it truly a best practice. I like to think the ladder, but still…a grain of salt I guess.
Nice post Amber.
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I love the page and it’s definitely opened my eyes to the value of fb fan pages. I, much like you, didn’t really see the value beforehand. At the same token, and it’s unfortunate, but whenever Chris Brogan succeeds at something, I can’t help but wonder if it was successful because it’s just Chris Brogan and anything he does, people will engage? Or is it truly a best practice. I like to think the ladder, but still…a grain of salt I guess.
Nice post Amber.
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Great review of a publisher’s FB fan page, Amber. Hopefully, many more will take note. Also, now I know why Chris Brogan got rid of his own personal fan page: so he could spend time @ this one! Make sense to me… and his book publisher!
Great review of a publisher’s FB fan page, Amber. Hopefully, many more will take note. Also, now I know why Chris Brogan got rid of his own personal fan page: so he could spend time @ this one! Make sense to me… and his book publisher!
Very interesting post! I don’t know much about “Trust Agents” but I hope to get a chance to read the book soon.
Didn’t “Wired” editor Chris Anderson take a similar approach with his “Long Tail” book? Not with Facebook, but with a wiki?
In any event this blog post is something I could doubters who ask me, “What’s all the fuss about this social media stuff?”
Very interesting post! I don’t know much about “Trust Agents” but I hope to get a chance to read the book soon.
Didn’t “Wired” editor Chris Anderson take a similar approach with his “Long Tail” book? Not with Facebook, but with a wiki?
In any event this blog post is something I could doubters who ask me, “What’s all the fuss about this social media stuff?”
What I love about you Amber (well, there’s lots of things, but this is yet another!) is how you are able to look at how someone is using media and draw out the underlying meaning of what they are trying to accomplish. You aren’t looking at the tools themselves, you are looking at how they are used.
The guys HAVE created a great fan page, and I have every intention of sharing it AND your post about it with my classes in September. A great example of how to make social media work without being obnoxious about it.
xo
Suze
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What I love about you Amber (well, there’s lots of things, but this is yet another!) is how you are able to look at how someone is using media and draw out the underlying meaning of what they are trying to accomplish. You aren’t looking at the tools themselves, you are looking at how they are used.
The guys HAVE created a great fan page, and I have every intention of sharing it AND your post about it with my classes in September. A great example of how to make social media work without being obnoxious about it.
xo
Suze
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Inviting people to “come hang out for a while and chat” is key, as is the other side of the equation, to visit simply for the purpose of listening to what others have to say.
The dialog in life, whether conducted on a personal or corporate basis, creates a brand that people truly own, and it happens while observing as well as while participating.
This fan page is rich with such dialog, and will create the trust that will not only sell the book, but enrich peoples lives – the focus is on the giving.
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Inviting people to “come hang out for a while and chat” is key, as is the other side of the equation, to visit simply for the purpose of listening to what others have to say.
The dialog in life, whether conducted on a personal or corporate basis, creates a brand that people truly own, and it happens while observing as well as while participating.
This fan page is rich with such dialog, and will create the trust that will not only sell the book, but enrich peoples lives – the focus is on the giving.
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Amber – your conclusion that “Facebook is not a starting point for a brand, but a destination” really struck a chord for me. I work with so many organizations and businesses that tell me “we just want a facebook page and a (fill in the blank social media platform) to “get the word out.” I have always maintained that you don’t start with a Facebook page because you can’t have a conversation if your main goal is selling or promoting. If you want to promote, write a blog. If you want to sell, pay per click. If you want engagement, then really engage. I will certainly point clients towards this blog post in the future, and use your analysis as the basis for arguing against using the Facebook page as one’s social media starting point.
One other point- I have often maintained that Facebook is a terrible platform for actual discussion. It’s hard to build momentum and keep people interested. It’s even harder to get them to stop and comment. Do you think the Trust Agents fan page is a better model for encouraging discussion and why? I see very few discussions, but I do like the model that the non-wall discussions are NOT related to the book or the fan page. Would like to read what you have to say about this point. Thanks1
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Amber – your conclusion that “Facebook is not a starting point for a brand, but a destination” really struck a chord for me. I work with so many organizations and businesses that tell me “we just want a facebook page and a (fill in the blank social media platform) to “get the word out.” I have always maintained that you don’t start with a Facebook page because you can’t have a conversation if your main goal is selling or promoting. If you want to promote, write a blog. If you want to sell, pay per click. If you want engagement, then really engage. I will certainly point clients towards this blog post in the future, and use your analysis as the basis for arguing against using the Facebook page as one’s social media starting point.
One other point- I have often maintained that Facebook is a terrible platform for actual discussion. It’s hard to build momentum and keep people interested. It’s even harder to get them to stop and comment. Do you think the Trust Agents fan page is a better model for encouraging discussion and why? I see very few discussions, but I do like the model that the non-wall discussions are NOT related to the book or the fan page. Would like to read what you have to say about this point. Thanks1
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Hey Amber –
Nice post. I love the info on what has been working and how Chris and Julien have been using Facebook. It’s always great to get insight into what people are doing to be effective.
I think starting with Facebook or not it’s a matter of practice. If you start with Facebook you have to keep practicing, being active, talking to people, sharing good information, sharing what others have to say, etc…
Depending on your organization and goals Facebook may be a fine place to start, but it won’t work if all your doing is promoting something. How you use it is what it comes down to.
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Hey Amber –
Nice post. I love the info on what has been working and how Chris and Julien have been using Facebook. It’s always great to get insight into what people are doing to be effective.
I think starting with Facebook or not it’s a matter of practice. If you start with Facebook you have to keep practicing, being active, talking to people, sharing good information, sharing what others have to say, etc…
Depending on your organization and goals Facebook may be a fine place to start, but it won’t work if all your doing is promoting something. How you use it is what it comes down to.
http://twitter.com/franswaa